I'd be a lot more understanding if there weren't 3 cabinet members with tax problems. I mean once you found out about the first, couldn't u learn from it then and not let it happen again?

This seems like PR to me. But hey, the last few years the public wasn't even worthy enough of PR moves where the President did as he liked, so maybe it's a step in the right direction.

Interesting take, chat. Very nuanced.

Zeze, I agree with you. It does bug me a little that this has become a problem, because they were obviously not vetted as thoroughly as we, the general public, were lead to believe. In the grand scheme of things, it's really not THAT big of a deal, but it's an unnecessary distraction from everything else. I do appreciate the public honesty, though, whatever its motive is.

that he actually said he screwed up is interesting because Lord knows there have been little to no acknowledgments of being wrong in the past administration even when it was so obvious that they mucked up.

Seems like the whole vetting process for the election and now the nominees has been a little slack. Maybe both parties will learn the public really is paying attention to who they try to put into positions of power. Then again, maybe it is all just a bad PR stunt. I am all for taking responsibility and public honesty though.

I think it's an unfortunate oversight, but the end of the world it is not. Nor is it proof, as some have said in the media, that Obama is ill prepared and unqualified. What is more disturbing is the fact that these senators, seasoned senators, have been cheating on their taxes all while supposedly working for Americans best interest. And it is a big change from what we were dealing with before to have a President admit he messed up. I see that as a positive thing.

You can only vet what people disclose. Daschle withheld information, so did other nominees. What surprises me is that there is no oversight to make sure senators and public officials pay their taxes properly. I understand they have complex income sources, but seriously, these folks are the representatives and examples for the average citizen.

But taxes are publice record. Wouldn't you think they would at least do the cursory check of their tax records, just to make sure?
This is solely a PR move.

Taxes are public record but if you failed to report income on those taxes, that isn't transparent.

Its not like Daschle's car service issued him a W2, come on now. I'm outraged that senators and federal representatives are evading taxes, and I'm sure the problem extends outside of Obama's cabinet nominees.

"Taxes are public record but if you failed to report income on those taxes, that isn't transparent."

Exactly!

And I don't understand how this is a PR move. I mean, a PR move is going to an orphanage and holding babies while photos are snapped.

He's doing a news interview. He has no choice but to address this. He's choosing to say he f*cked up.

Personally, I like the willingness of public officials to own up to mistakes. I don't understand how people are casting this in a bad light?

Exactly, mydiadem. The car service failed to give him a 1099. That wouldn't have been apparent from just looking at his tax records.

Our representatives should be much better about their taxes! Maybe we could do a new stimulus plan where congress actually pays all of their taxes, and we decide what to do with it!

'I don't understand how people are casting this in a bad light? '

Because those people are looking for anything possible to cast in a bad light.

PR as in "Public Relations", as in President communicating with his constituency, The Public. Yes, I should hope that the President would try to reach out to the public so we know what he is thinking and doing on our behalf.

And this interview string was arranged to discuss the Recovery plan before all of this Daschle stuff imploded.

eh most of the people who see it as a PR stunt don't support Obama, therefore they won't find much of what he does to be positive. Just like some of us thought Bush was incompetent they will find Obama to be the same. He can't win over everybody

"Taxes are public record but if you failed to report income on those taxes, that isn't transparent."

Then how exactely did the press find out about his tax problems?

dave it's like asking how the press knew john edwards was cheating, people snitch all the time, just because something isn't public record doesn't mean that someone doesn't know about it and for the right amount will tell all.

From what I understand, during the vetting process issues with the car service and such were discovered and Daschle then paid the back taxes. Aides involved in this vetting process discussed this with the media.

It is my understanding that the press didn't discover the tax issues.

Right, until he paid the back taxes. Then it all came to light.

Well, I guess admitting a mistake and saying you screwed up is just a PR stunt, but going in one direction for eight years and crashing into wall after wall is just doing what one thinks is right. Got it!

Exactly, Em!

I agree.

Sorry, TS. Next time I respond to something at 3am after being awake since 6, I'll put more thought into it. But the eye roll pretty much sums up my feeling s on this. He made it public knowledge that he was going to hold everyone accountable for every single one of their actions, most actions of those close to them, and they would the THOROUGHLY researched before being allowed to work in the White House... and yet here we are, a few months later, and there have been several people who clearly were not researched. Maybe Daschle's tax evasion wasn't obvious, but Geithner's was, and the gal who had a tax lien on her house? Public record, and yet they still missed it. It really makes me wonder if he's being dishonest, or if he's simply the dumbest president we've had in a while.

no chaton that honour goes to the mba president george bush

nya, Bush was, without a doubt, an idiot, but if Obama isn't an idiot, then he's incredibly dishonest.

I don't think Obama is dishonest, I think Daschle and crew are. These things did come out in vetting, its a shame that Obama trusted these people and they were such deadbeats.

I think it takes a lot of strength to own up to your mistakes - and he made a mistake that was embarrassing. I have never heard Bush own up to anything -even till the end. Would you rather Obama act as if nothing went wrong? I don't get how some people here find negativity in every little thing Obama says or does yet defend Bush vehemently.

I think the honor of being the dumbest president still is very securely the Shrub's.

Had # 43 only been able to admit he made mistakes. Instead he's responsible for thousands of lost lives, not only those of US soldiers, but also of Allies killed and tens of thousands of innocent people in the Middle East, in various African states. And he let his cronies ruin not only the US economy but that of other countries as well. Was he sorry? No, he had his people obstruct justice instead.

But of course if one's sincere, it's a PR move, or being dishonest, or being an idiot!

geebers, I can only assume you're talking about me since I'm the only person who's still discussing. When have I ever defended Bush? He was a blemish in our history, and soon enough we'll talk about him like we talk about other embarrassing historical figures.

mydiadem, why would he trust them if he already knew they were dishonest?

Obama's been president for two weeks - after 8 years of a president you now refer to as an idiot, you're going to criticize Obama for not achieving perfection in less than a month??

chaton I was not calling you out at all- I am just referring to the comments I keep seeing here where people are just calling Obama out for every little thing yet continue to defend Bush when anyone else points out the mistakes he made.

I'm going to criticize him for appointing people he knew were wildly dishonest and ridiculously unaccountable for their own actions when he said that honesty and accountability for self are at the core of his system of governing.

geebers, we must be reading different boards. Where has George II been vehemently defended? I'd love a link!

I give him points for admitting the screwup. I just wish Geithner would step down because messing up your taxes and then being put in charge of the IRS just doesn't seem right to me. How can he lead the tax department when he can't or won't pay his taxes?

He knows the election is over right? Enough of the rhetoric.
Stop trying to convince us you were the right choice and start making good, healthy, non-Socialist change for the American people. That would include scrapping the bailout for a bill that isnt loaded with uneccesary spending!

chaton they don't mean on this post but on other posts people have defended bush and his policies vehemently but criticise obama constantly, it's not you it's them lol

Right, and I'm admitting that I don't read every single post on every single thread that citizen ever posts, but I'm wondering if anyone can provide some links.

"I'm going to criticize him for appointing people he knew were wildly dishonest and ridiculously unaccountable for their own actions when he said that honesty and accountability for self are at the core of his system of governing."

Wildly dishonest??? Ridiculously unaccountable??? you're kidding right? If Geithner and Daschle are wildly dishonest and ridiculously unaccountable, then just about every member of the Bush Administration should be considered Public Enemy Number One.

chaton go back to any post about george bush or iraq or any of his policies and you'll see i'm feeling a little lazy to do that but there are there if you actually want to go back and see

I suspect that when Obama nominated Daschle, he felt that the incredible depth of knowledge and experience that Dashcle brought to the table on health care policy was more important than his tax issues. Sometimes, the best person for the job comes with some skeletons. It doesn't mean he isn't still the best man for the job.

Perhaps he felt the same way about Geithner. I'm a bit more suspect about why he thought a tax problem wouldn't be a problem for the man nominated to be the head of the IRS.

Ooh, a President who admits errors, and not just when he's on his way out! That's new.

Bush admitted errors, mistakes, I myself didnt keep track of the specifics(what speech, what press conference) Its really not the presidents job to say "sorry people" everytime the governments plan goes wrong unless its specifically his and his alone.

In response to questions about possible mistakes he made as president, Bush said he probably shouldn't have appointed some of the people he did - but said he wouldn't embarrass them by naming them. He said 'some' of his rhetoric was questionable, and he said he wished the intelligence on Iraq had been correct. Otherwise, no, he did not admit to errors, mistakes.