see that makes me want to vote for him more!

Makes us look like unsophisticated hicks.

first of all some dates and context would be helpful.

That Chelsea comment is pretty hurtful...

The Chelsea Clinton joke was really cruel (I heard she was only 18 at the time).

I got enough inappropriate jokes with Bush. I am ready for a leader who presents a different image of America now.

Hey syako. You can find more background information here.

Thanks.

Huh. Off-topic for a second, but I guess I'm in the minority, but...I think Chelsea Clinton is cute. Yeah I'm a chick so I guess my opinion doesn't matter, but I don't know, seeing her out on the road stumping for her mom (and the fact that she is incredibly intellingent) and doing her best to keep her private life private really makes me admire her. Also, to go with syako's question about context, why would anyone ask him his opinion on Chelsea's looks?

You can be funny without joking about beating your wife...especially with his supposed (or confirmed?) use of the c-word and the whole leaving-his-faithful-wife-for-someone-younger-and-connected-better-politically thing. (NOT calling anyone else an angel, e.g. Good Ol' Bill Clinton, but just sayin'). These don't come across as that funny to me...but maybe I'm just an unfunny liberal feminist who finds more humor in poop jokes and Jackass and dry sarcasm myself. Or, any jokes about Kermit and Miss Piggy. (My best dirty joke is about those two. It KILLS at parties. )

BUT...like the article said, he's also a guy from a "different generation". Sooooo...yeah. That helps to explain it too.

I think most of these would be funny to tell to your friends, but not really appropriate to say in public.

Many of those jokes are obviously without taste.

However, I don't take too much stock when the linked article (from politico) doesn't reference dates and context.

Not saying he didn't make the jokes... I just appreciate the specifics.

Since when is calling a young woman in front of the nation ugly, in context? I swear, if Barack did that to Jenna, many of you wouldn't care about context.

"Since when is calling a young woman in front of the nation ugly, in context?"

Excellent point, rac.

Ok... I'm a jerk. There were more specifics in that article. Please disregard previous post.

maybe I'm just an unfunny liberal feminist who finds more humor in poop jokes and Jackass and dry sarcasm myself.

"Since when is calling a young woman in front of the nation ugly, in context?"

Well, if he said it privately to a friend, that's completely different than making the joke at a press conference.

And... as i said,

"Many of those jokes are obviously without taste."

I don't believe that "calling a young woman in front of the nation ugly" is at all acceptable.

Re: "I think Chelsea Clinton is cute"

I think she's adorable now. But she was a very awkward adolescent. I'd say she was ugly, but I'm worried about this context...

Em, I always thought Chelsea was cute too. She has great style too. Obviously she went through that awkward teenage phase, who didn't. Joking about a womens looks is so unproffessional both Chelsea and Janet Reno are accomplished women who young girls can look up to.

The jokes aren't funny and suggest the man has a very bitter core - the age of the jokes just show he's been mean for a long time.

I was just recently thinking about the potential first kids. Chelsea had it rough, she was in the White House during her most unfortunate looking years. McCain's daughter is already grown, but Obama's oldest is 9 (I think) and could also potentially hit her awkward phase in the public eye.

McCain's got an adopted daughter and I think son who would probably live in the White House - I can definitely see the daughter coming under harsh scrutiny.

He has one daughter adopted as an orphan, two of his children are Cindy's but he adopted. Anyways, the youngest is 17.

I cringe the most looking at photos of myself around jr high and early high school. I would hate for the country to cringe along with me.

Bridget (McCain's youngest) is already 16. I'm not sure if she's out of the awkward phase yet, though, since they are so vigilant about keeping her away from the media.

Oops, I didn't realize that she's 17 now. I wasn't saying that to be argumentative, torg, I just didn't see that you'd posted.

And he has three with Cindy (Meghan, Jack, and Jimmy), and then Bridget. He also has three from his first marriage, two adopted sons(they were his first wife's children with another man) and one daughter; they are obviously much older, though.

Haha. I can see this devolving...

TEAM 17!!

NO, TEAM 16!!

Team 16!

Can you imagine being 17 and your dad being 70?

he's off his freaking rocker!

I'm afraid the media will seek out McCain's adopted daughter - she's something different. It's easier to keep her out of sight now then it would be if he's in the White House.

I actually enjoy the fact that he has a sense of humor. He's very witty and quick, and although the ones listed above do cross the line (or come close), I appreciate the fact that he doesn't try to hold back who he is and what he thinks. I'm not going to vote for him, but I will laugh at him.

Am I the only one who thinks the Gramm one is funny?

Nope. I thought that one was hilarious.

I would also have probably laughed if I heard him say he just stopped beating his wife. But I know some people think it's not funny to joke about domestic violence. But I like inappropriate humor.

Steph do you remember all the rumors about his 'illegitimate black baby' the Bush Administration started when he was running for president a while back? That is why his comments about Chelsea are so strange, he knows what it is like to have your child ridiculed in public.

I think it is pretty cool that their family decided to adopt.

Where is more detail about the alleged waterboarding joke?

Wait, was Bush trying to say his adopted child was an illegitimate black baby? Because otherwise this would not make McCain know how it feels to have his child talked about, he'd know what it felt like to have a non-existent fictional child talked about.

Yeah, Cindy fell in love with Bridget when she was on a charity trip in Bangladesh. Family friends of the McCains adopted another child from the orphanage. Say what you will about the McCains, but that was a great thing for them to do. They adopted her before it became "cool" to adopt children from overseas.

the only context that concerns me is whether he said these things for the benefit of a small group, or whether he included them in a public speech.

seizure world is HILARIOUS! what is wrong? not all of these jokes are horrible. they're just dumb! the one about iran is crummy, and calling chelsea ugly isn't nice. definitely not nice.

and once again on the topic of people's marriages, I have NOTHING to say. If I don't wake up in bed next to them, it isn't my business to speculate. and I make it a point not to wake up next to another woman's husband.

I'd like to see the context of these jokes. Where were they said, and to whom. I cringe at a few of these, but don't see the problem.

Is it just me, or did we talk about Obama's lack of a sense of humor hurting him a couple of days ago.

I don't agree with the joke about Chelsea but was happy to see he apologized for it.

How are we on the topic of people's marriages.

And you know, good for you for not waking up next to other people's husbands.

someone mentioned his affair above. they have mentioned it before. and we spent a great deal of time several months ago talking about Hillary's reaction to Bill's affair. I think that was before you started joining the conversations.

ooohhh, I thought you were making reference to the wife-beating joke. I was thinking, I try not to judge other people's relationships, but if one person's beating another I'm gonna call that a bad one.

Kris, considering the dressing down people got here on Citizen from Team Red yesterday for comments about McCain's age, the Seizure World joke is especially ironic.

Dave, we responded to a couple of columnist's claims that Obama lacks a sense of humor the other day.

The Chelsea Clinton joke was made at a Republican fundraiser, so if that context makes it appropriate, there are bigger problems here than I thought.

Yeah, I'm gonna call that bad too, Torgleson.

I called the cops on a neighbor who was throwing his wife around the apartment balcony once. I have no idea what happened to her, because he threw her inside. but the cops did come, so here's hoping they figured out who to talk to.

The Chelsea joke is pretty low...I mean he's not exactly prince charming or anything.

That most about Obama and humor got all weird and twisted. It wasn't that Obama doesn't have a sense of humor, it's that he doesn't have any qualities that are easily mockable. He doesn't mangle words like Bush or use esoteric words like "Orwellian" like Kerry or act sorta robotic like Gore.

I don't wake up next to other women's husbands either - let her fix him breakfast.

Ha. I don't do it either, but it's because by the time I wake up he's in the kitchen fixing pancakes.