It sucks to be discriminated against doesn't it Carrie?

Someone tell Ms. Prejean her 15 minutes have expired.

I thought she was fired b/c she wasn't fulfilling her obligations (showing up to events, etc)

Ugh... can you say DRAMA QUEEN?

california is an At Will state. we can fire for a reason called AT WILL. and she could sue for wrongful termination but i doubt she'll win.

also yes, i totally love that she is discriminatory, and complaining about being discriminated against.

If it were the case, I wouldn't like her being discriminated against for being a Christian any more than I'd like someone discriminated against for being gay. I hadn't made the connection of hypocrisy, but I think it's an excellent point.

That said, she got fired for being a prima donna and blowing off her appearances. Superficial had the actual texts from her Blackberry a few weeks ago. The girl is totally b!tchcakes.

She was screwed the minute Perez Hilton opened his mouth. Either she spoke honestly, or she would end up betraying her principles for a prize.
To this day, I really do not understand why he was on the board of judges. Carson Kressley, I could see. I miss those guys.

If it is proven that she did not fulfill her contractual obligations, then by all means...kick her to the curb.

And, couldn't we have done a bit better on the headline, TresSugar? Way to encourage the schadenfreude.

no one should get fired b/c of mere religious beliefs. i'm fairly certain miss prejean was let go b/c the the miss california pageant got fed up with her and were embarrassed by her actions and lack of brain cell activity. seems simple enough.

Blah, sick of her. If she didn't fulfill her obligations that's that

I agree with cirrus. She was honest about her opinion on gay marriage, and I don't think it would have been right for her to lie just to win. There are also people who have to realize that there are many people beside Carrie Prejean who don't think gay marriage should be legalized, or it would be legal.

@zuke- and i don't understand why it's anybody's f**king business what two consenting adults do and why a civil matter such as marriage has ANYTHING to do with someone's religious beliefs. it's not rational and doesn't make any damn sense.

@cirrus1701-she was screwed the minute she opened her ignorant braindead mouth.

anyway, she brought this mess on herself by being a being a bigot AND by not fulfilling her pageant duties. i thought the officials revealing that she had breast implants was a little f***ed up but after about a split second i laughed. her 15 minutes are up, she should go crawl back into the ignorant antiquated hole she came out of.

At least she's getting a taste of her own medicine. Though maybe, losing this lawsuit will end up knocking her down a peg (gratned, one would think that getting fired so fast would do that too, but I digress).

Yep, I'm over her too. I reckon she should just suck it up and move on. If she really wants to get her name in the papers why doesn't she just give a fad wad of money to a good cause? Or lend her face to a charity or something? That's way better than trying to reclaim her 15 minutes by blowing hot air.

I think it's total hippocracy that she wants to discriminate against gays obtaining a civil marriage and yet cries when she thinks she's been discriminated against for her religious beliefs. She sort of reminds me of the 16 year old JROTC girl in Florida.

I'm sure the civil suit will be dismissed since she was so lax on performing her duties as Miss California.

Shanna moakler and that other official guy did come off as having something personal against carrie prejean. They weren't professional at all. And I also don't understand why perez hilton was judging a beauty pageant. That's like kelly rowland judging the fashion show... Why?!

Anyway, I don't like how she was made into a villain by everybody so I hope she at least gets her day in court.

Oh. And let's please get over "opposite marriage".

Goodness gracious, tres. I wonder whose side you're on...

She got a second chance and blew it. She should have been really diligent about her duties and tried to exceed expectations so that nobody could argue about her fulfilling her duties or not.

Any bigoted idiots like her should be kicked to the curb as far as I'm concerned, but she WASN'T fired because of her beliefs.

"she brought this mess on herself by being a being a bigot"

Why must one be a bigot if they don't support gay marriage?

It's funny to me when so-called liberals bash "conservatives" for not supporting gay marriage, and then turn around and say everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs.

So I'm wrong for having the opinion that gay marriage is a sin, but you're NOT wrong for putting me down because of my beliefs?

I actually consider myself a liberal, but because I'm a Christian, people automatically assume I'm super conservative. Not true. In my experience, it's the liberals who are the most closed-minded.

* I meant to put liberals in quotations, as in "liberals" who are the most closed-minded.

dani177731- you know what yes you are a bigot because there is NOTHING inherently wrong or sinful about being gay. how do i know? because i am gay and i know that there is not a damn thing wrong with me for being this way. you can go on being a bigot and homophobic, the same way people can go on being racist, but THE MINUTE you try to include your ignorant "religious beliefs" in civil law and negatively affect MY life like idiotic ms. prejean in cali, we're going to have a problem. i have no idea why people aren't more ashamed of being homophobic BUT THEY SHOULD BE.

Ok, ok. Lets state some facts:

FACT: If you take partially nude pictures and you're competing in the Miss America pageant, you are in breach of contract and will be stripped of your title (see: Vanessa Williams...it happened to her)

FACT: Ms. Prejean was slacking on her duties, which is why she was dropped by the pageant officials.

FACT: Gay people do not affect the sanctity of your home life unless you're married to someone who is sneaking around with the same sex. This can also happen with heterosexual people, therefore, don't use that as an excuse.

FACT: It is in the bible (Romans 14:12) “So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.” That means that everybody is accountable for his or her actions, and they report to their God on account of them. THEREFORE IT IS NOT OF YOUR JUDGEMENT TO TELL SOMEONE HOW TO LIVE BECAUSE IT IS NOT YOUR FREAKING JOB.

...just saying.

By the way dani177731, I'm a liberal, and I'm open-minded enough to be pro-choice (compared to anti-choice pro-lifers), and pro-life-your-own-f*cking-life. You're close-minded views on society and putting people in your little labeled boxes is your business, and you shouldn't be interfering with other's lives based on how you feel.

She got fired for not doing her job. Simple.

Also, it didn't matter what opinion she gave in the pageant. She wasn't being judged on the content at all, but in how she presented herself and what she was saying. She did this terribly and ended up being controvercial, which is something that Miss America is asked to avoid. Therefore, she failed at the question.

"but THE MINUTE you try to include your ignorant "religious beliefs" in civil law and negatively affect MY life like idiotic ms. prejean in cali, we're going to have a problem."

I don't include my religious beliefs in civil law. What did I say to make you think that? I was simply defending the right to share one's own beliefs, as you have done. Are YOUR beliefs WRONG because I don't AGREE? No. Are MY beliefs WRONG because YOU don't agree? No.

"By the way dani177731, I'm a liberal, and I'm open-minded enough to be pro-choice (compared to anti-choice pro-lifers), and pro-life-your-own-f*cking-life."

Again, what did I say to make you describe me as closed-minded? How have I labeled anyone? Just because I choose to believe what I choose to believe doesn't make me closed-minded, it means that I've chosen a life-style that works FOR ME. Just like everyone else does. This just proves how "open-minded" so-called liberals are.

"You're close-minded views on society and putting people in your little labeled boxes is your business, and you shouldn't be interfering with other's lives based on how you feel."

None of this makes sense. Nothing that I posted corresponds to this statement. How could what I said interfere with other's lives?

"THEREFORE IT IS NOT OF YOUR JUDGEMENT TO TELL SOMEONE HOW TO LIVE BECAUSE IT IS NOT YOUR FREAKING JOB. "

I completely agree. I haven't judge anyone. I said that being gay is a sin. I'm just stating what I believe. How is that a judgment?

The only thing that really pisses me off is you calling me homophobic. I won't spend time trying to convince you otherwise, because apparently you already have made up your mind about me. (Judgments, anyone? hmm...) And FYI, I'm pro-choice too, I just didn't think that's what this post was about.

I would welcome your response.

While I don’t know Carrie Prejean, I think that she was raised in a religious home that basically taught her to be an un-Christian Christian full of fear. Her believing what she believes is fine. Her speaking out if she felt compelled is right. But being a person who is intolerantly devoted to her own opinions and prejudices is a bigot.

I remember hearing her pastor speak on CNN and the words he used to describe a true Christian and what allowing gays to marry would do to the world were far from what my view and hopes of what Christian people, let alone a pastor would be. He was full of self-righteousness and anger when questioned. He was combative when asked about gay marriage and literally made up statistics when trying to support his views.

Carrie was put in a horrible situation. She honestly answered an extremely hot-topic question. She then did not fulfill her end of the deal with the Miss California pageant. End of story. It’s been documented she was hard to work with. She has no chance of winning, but I am not surprised she is fighting her removal.

I think that one day marriage will stop being this religious and hilariously sacred (as more than 50% of straight people get divorced) thing that it’s become and go back to what it was made for; a social union or legal contract between individuals that creates kinship. I don’t know what believing in Christ as your savior has to do with marriage.

And dani17731, saying that you do not judge people but being gay is a sin, is a judgment. Believing and judging are on the same side of the coin. I do not think you are wrong for thinking what you think. I appreciate that you do stand up for what you believe in. But if you are saying anything that is negative about a group of people, no matter who it is, that is bigotry. Know that. And your expectation of your beliefs to be the way things will be, when that view in itself stands in the way of peoples civil rights, is not correct. That’s why we liberals get to “bash conservatives.” And you being okay with women aborting babies but being against gay people getting married will go down as the most ironic and hilarious thing I’ve heard in a while!

briandiesel - that was one of ht emost thought out and well spoken responses. Thank you.

unlike my horrendous, mistyped response just now.

I appreciate your calm and non-combative response, but the following is not true about anything that I've previously wrote:

"But if you are saying anything that is negative about a group of people, no matter who it is, that is bigotry."

I didn't say ANYTHING negative about gay people.

"And your expectation of your beliefs to be the way things will be, when that view in itself stands in the way of peoples civil rights, is not correct"

I said nothing about my beliefs affecting a person's civil rights. My comments were only defending the former contestant's right to state her beliefs.

This is DEFINATELY one of those times when we have to just agree to disagree.

Thank you Yogaforlife, I put a lot of thought into it before sending it.

dani17731, you think being gay is a sin and that's definitely not a positive. You said that gay marriage is a sin, which would mean that you are not for gay people having the right to get married. Which in turn, does in fact affect people's rights. If I misunderstood your post as your direct thoughts rather than your defense of Carrie, I apologize.

dani17331-wait a minute, YOU'RE pissed off because i'm calling you homophobic? oh please i think you're the one spreading the discrimination, judgement, and condemnation around here not me, so you brought the perception of being a a bigot on yourself. i don't know HOW you can possibly fathom that you could come off differently if you tell someone it's a sin to be gay. listen you are calling a facet of my being inherently evil and sinful.THATS A JUDGEMENT. in fact it's a PREJUDICE. HELLO! that's like me calling you evil solely for the color of your skin. something that you are born with and that you can't change. are you getting my point now? and you're right there is absolutely nothing to discuss, you're a homophobic bigot and you can't change my mind about that.

Woah, there is a lot of hate going on on this thread. But I do see where the two different points are coming from.

From a religious point of view, I myself am a Christian, and it clearly states in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin. However, believing this doesn't automatically make a person homophobic or a bigot. You may not like the lifestyle a person is living, but does that mean you HATE the person? Not at all.
Even though this isn't concerning sexual orientation, I have a very very dear friend who is a Muslim. No, I don't believe in her religion, nor she mine, but does this mean I will HATE her for believing in what she believes? Absolutely not! I still love her.

The same can be said in this case. Sure I may not believe in the lifestyle someone is living because of my biblical beliefs, but I will still respect them and love them as a person? Of course I will. The two can exist; and I do not think you ladies are realizing that.

Because people are more than their religion, race, gender, or sexual orientation. Yes, these are fundamental qualities of our being but there are more to each and every one of us. Same likes, dislikes, and same things in which we all can find a common ground.

That being said, the United States is not and HAS never been a theocratic government (a government based on strict religious beliefs). The "christian" principles some say the states were founded on were actually deist principles. So I do not believe that Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Zoroastrian, etc...beliefs should have a conscious bearing on legislation here, because the U.S. is a nation of eclectic peoples.

I believe there is discrimination on both sides. But I sincerely believe that one can embrace their own belief and have it guide their lives while respecting the choices of others. This isn't bigotry, its being yourself.

for those of you who think homosexuality is a sin, WHY DO YOU CARE???? you're not the ones "sinning" so why worry about others? if they "don't think it's a sin", why should you?!?!? i just don't get it. what are they doing that is affecting/hurting you? ruining the sanctity of marriage? cuz that was ruined long before gay marriage came to the forefront.