Awaiting Results: Clinton Triumphs In My Old Kentucky Home

May 20, 2008

CNN is now projecting based on exit polls that Hillary Clinton has walked away handily with the biggest piece of the Bluegrass state's 51 pledged delegates.

If Obama winds up being the Democratic nominee, he'll have an uphill climb in Kentucky. According to exit polls, 41 percent of Clinton supporters said if Obama's the choice, they'd cast their vote instead for John McCain, and 23 percent said they would not vote at all. Those odds are worse for Obama than West Virginia.

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bellaressa 5 years 2 days

I spoke with one of my friends about the "stop being so black" comment, and my friend is black. To me, as a white person, comments like those are so archaic and uneducated that it boggles my mind. When I was speaking with my friend...I wish I could communicate the way her eyes dimmed when she heard what he said. We talk about this kind of thing quite a bit, and it just kills me that comments like that don't just effect the person they are about. Think of little children that will hear that mans statement, and what it makes them think about their peers and themselves. Totally agree with you Jill. It really disheartens me to hear things like this even on Citizen sometimes people say that BO and his wife got into the schools they did b/c they were blk. It just makes me wonder any hard work someone of color does it will always go back to their skin color. It is such a bad message to young children that think they can be anything and the hear this ---what does that do their mentality. It just tells them they have not earned or worked hard for nothing.

Jillness 5 years 2 days

I also find it funny when people say the media is biased FOR Obama...it is like they slept during the 2 months of non-stop Wright footage. Even CNN and MSN did it, although FOX played it the most.

Jillness 5 years 2 days

"During this primary season, Hillary's won only 4 contests by so large a margin (Arkansas, West Virginia, Kentucky, and American Samoa). By contrast, Obama has won 15 contests by margins greater than 30%, and another 9 by margins greater than 20%. That's how crushing his victories have been against her." Thank you SO MUCH for the stats! After his many wins, I lost count. I knew that he had won at least 10 states with 60% or more of the vote, and she only had 1...but that has changed, but I didn't know where to find analysis of the percentages.

UnDave35 5 years 2 days

Very well said Serial. Sorry HF. :evil:

serial 5 years 2 days

Bluemango, I'll give you that Hillary won "big" in KY (35% margin), but by what metric do you measure a 16% difference in OR "small"? During this primary season, Hillary's won only 4 contests by so large a margin (Arkansas, West Virginia, Kentucky, and American Samoa). By contrast, Obama has won 15 contests by margins greater than 30%, and another 9 by margins greater than 20%. That's how crushing his victories have been against her. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/2008_Democratic_Primaries_Delegate_Vote.png To put things into perspective, there's an interesting blog on MSNBC's First Read this morning: "Want more proof that these contests haven’t really changed a thing since March? Heading into the Pennsylvania primary, according to NBC’s count that day, Obama led Clinton by 166 pledged delegates. Heading into Indiana and North Carolina, his lead was 154. Heading into West Virginia, the lead was 164. And heading into last night’s contest, the lead was 168. Now, even after her 35-point win in Kentucky (in which she picked up a net of 23 delegates, Obama’s lead per NBC’s count is 137, and that will only increase after the Oregon numbers are finalized. ... What’s more, this is more evidence that Clinton probably lost this campaign between February 5 and March 4. In that month-long period, Obama won 11-straight contests. And, not counting the Virgin Islands and Democrats Abroad, he obtained 281 delegates to Clinton’ 163. That nearly 120-delegate difference is pretty much the race right there." Hillary's waged a fierce campaign, but the numbers just aren't in her favor. When asked exactly how they see a path to the nomination her surrogates hedge and keep saying how every vote should be counted and there are still millions left to vote. Week after week, there are less and less votes for Hillary to count on to make up the difference. And every scenario her surrogates propose involve counting Florida and Michigan (which broke the rules and by Hillary's own admission "don't count for anything" until she's so far behind and need their votes) and having the superdelegates flock to her en masse despite Obama's winning the majority of elected delegates (effectively overturning the will of the people). As for media bias, each network, each anchor might let their biases show but when it gets down to reporting stories, I think the public is at least smart enough to take away the essential facts. Is the media anti-Obama because they lingered over the Wright story for 2 or 3 weeks? If not, why is it biased when they report about Hillary's Bosnia gaffe or how her campaign is essentially broke (that info is publicly available through the FEC anyway)? As for the calls for Hillary to get out of the race, I'm quite a political junkie, but I've never heard any anchor call for her to get out of the race. Don't confuse that with the news reporting prominent Democrats calling for her withdrawal. TV pundits love analysis, and if you break down the math, the numbers are irrefutable (see above) -- Hillary cannot catch up to Obama without having the superdelegates overturn a majority of voters. And even Hillary's surrogates haven't done a good job spelling out any alternative and plausible scenario.

Jillness 5 years 2 days

Funny thing about Kentucky Democrats... In 2004 30% voted for George Bush!! Having 1/3rd of the "democrats" vote for GWB during one of the most polarizing election years says a lot to me. It was surprising. I heard one anchor say something like, "How does 20% of the Kentucky voters not voting for a man because he is black become the black man's problem? Shouldn't we stand up against that?"

raciccarone 5 years 3 days

Blue, nice if it were that simple. The media doesn't care about liberal or conservative. They care about money, pure and simple.

harmonyfrance 5 years 3 days

I'm here! I had rehearsal. Thanks everyone! GO HILLARY! :kool:

bluemango 5 years 3 days

I still see hillary waiting it out till the end. She won huge in Kentucky (65% to 30%) and lost small in Oregon (so far 42% to 58%). Thank you rush for op. chaos. And thats not bad for having some people thinking she's out, or atleast the foolish liberal media wants it to be projected that way. So funny on fox today...a top Hillary aid was being interviewed and the anchor asked him something like, "so how does it feel that the media is trying to push hillary out of the picture and just report on Obama (because the majority of the media is liberal)" and the guy said, "yeah, now we understand what republicans feel like." SERIOUSLY, so true. at least now some democrats are realizing the liberal spin and control the media has on news and politics.

UnDave35 5 years 3 days

I do what I can bookish ;)

Bookish 5 years 3 days

Dave, you know you're just asking for it, don't you? Always stirring the pot, you with your adorable kids...

UnDave35 5 years 3 days

Congrats to Hillary. Now get off the bus, and let the men get to work ;)

popgoestheworld 5 years 3 days

Jillness I know what you mean about wondering who else hears those types of comments. It makes me wonder if Michael Jackson heard that growing up or something.

Jillness 5 years 3 days

ladychaos 5 years 3 days

...Wow, the "stop being so black" comments still rolling in. Why are there so many ignorant pricks out there in the world. But yea, even if hillary got the majority, she can't win because she didn't get her needed 68% of votes from these past couple weeks through the last primaries. Thats what she needed to put her over the edge. So she can keep winning little primaries to boost her ego, but she's only hurting herself and chances for running again in the long run. And if she runs independent, people wouldn't vote for her BECAUSE its not Democrat/Republican. She'd have better chances running as a republican, honestly. I'm sure she'd get some votes, but not enough to win the presidency. I'm waiting for her head to deflate so she can see all the damage she's causing the democratic party. Her ego and arrogance is what made me convert from a Hillary fan to an Obama fanatic. I say no more dishonesty in the white house!

hausfrau 5 years 3 days

41% said they would vote for McCain? I think thats the largest percentage yet... but I doubt it will hold true till Nov.

serial 5 years 3 days

By Hillary's math, neither McCain nor Obama will win West Virginia in the fall, having lost it in their respective primaries. With 0% of ballots in, I'm ready to call West Virginia for Hillary in November.

Jillness 5 years 3 days

I read this and it made me go "Whaaaat?" Kind of interesting, but not a big deal. "In West Virginia...Senator Obama lost by 41 points, but on February 4, Senator McCain lost West Virginia, too. What was Senator McCain's percentage of the West Virginian vote? One. One percent. Why aren't there any questions about Senator McCain's "white working class problem"? McCain only got 1% in West Virginia?

Jillness 5 years 3 days

True, TsuKata. "This morning on CNN, their Election Express bus rolled through Kentucky to interview voters there. A middle aged white man, who was voting for Hillary, asked if he had any words of advice for Obama, said (and I kid you not), "Get your act together. Quit being so black." My jaw dropped open, stunned." WOW! I have that same expression on my face right now as well. Very, very sad. I am happy for Harmony and Raci tonight! Even if my favorite suffers a defeat, it is nice to know that other people are getting good news. :) Go Team Blue! :kool:

TsuKata 5 years 3 days

Another item I just thought about: At this point, the only Democrats *really* motivated to get out there and vote are Clinton supporters. When Bill Clinton had the nomination almost locked up, Brown got a surge. When McCain was close to having it locked up, Huckabee got a surge.

serial 5 years 3 days

Right now, the pundits are dissecting how the demographics (high percentages of poor, working class whites without a college education) in Kentucky favor Hillary, but they neatly skirt around the issue of racism. Just like West Virginia last week, it's hard to be impressed by a Hillary landslide victory when I'm wondering just how many of Hillary's votes came from those who will under no circumstances vote for a black man or a perceived Muslim (which Obama is not). It gets even curiouser when you look at exit polls that suggest only 1/3 of Hillary's supporters would vote for Obama in the fall (even though their policy positions are essentially identical). This morning on CNN, their Election Express bus rolled through Kentucky to interview voters there. A middle aged white man, who was voting for Hillary, asked if he had any words of advice for Obama, said (and I kid you not), "Get your act together. Quit being so black." My jaw dropped open, stunned. How can a black man quite being "so black." What does that even mean? I'm not saying the ignorant few is representative for the state as a whole, but racism certainly seems a strong thread that runs through the southern and Appalachian electorate and I find it insulting that Hillary is touting her "electability" based on bigotry.

lilkimbo 5 years 3 days

Rac, you have me picturing Hillary literally destroying all of her opponents and having people bow down to her. It's pretty great.

raciccarone 5 years 3 days

Hillary will win. Watch and wait. You can not defeat her. You can not destroy her. She will never stop. Ever. Until she is in the White House and all her enemies are kneeling before her and on that day I shall smile because she will call upon me to serve her as a loyal adherent to her power. You who doubted her will come to understand what it is to believe. Watch. Wait. Wisten. :notworthy:

UnDave35 5 years 3 days

Clinton is now complaining about how the press is treating her. Do you think that'll win her any friends in the press? I think not.

TsuKata 5 years 3 days

It's still mathematically darn-near-impossible for her to win the nomination, so the point of all of this escapes me. It's rather indicative that Bush and McCain were attacking Obama this past weekend, not Clinton. I'm not sure I see this "uphill battle" that the above cites. Also, how come no one is asking Obama supporters if they'd vote Clinton? I, for one, would not. I would have prior to this primary, but I feel like this primary process has proven that Clinton's interest is herself, not the party, and not this country.

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