
We all have our physical preferences when it comes to finding a romantic partner. Some women want men to be tall, broad shouldered, and dark haired. Men may want a big-breasted blonde. We objectify those we find attractive to some extent, but what are the implications of preferring someone of a different race?
After reading an article a friend sent me, A White Woman Explains Why She Prefers Black Men, I realized that there's a big implication: the desire could be based on racial assumptions and stereotypes that, just because they're "positive," don't make them any less pernicious, objectifying, or, to put it bluntly, racist. Want to find out about racial fetishism? Then read more.
Whether you have "jungle fever" or "yellow fever" (you date blacks or Asians exclusively), you would be described, in the parlance of the day, as having a "fetish." One thoughtful person has explained a fetish this way:
Sexual fetishism in general is the sexual attraction to something which is not in itself a sexual object, such as feet or leather. Sexually fetishizing a person or group of people however means reducing them to objects, important only in their sexual function or interest to the fetishizer. Race fetishization means effectively reducing all members of a racial group to a monolithic whole, only valued in terms of their racial stereotypes. You are hearing racial fetishization when people talk about how black men have big penises, Asian women are exotic and submissive . . . just because a stereotyped characteristic is a "good" characteristic, that doesn't mean it's not racist.
So how does our White Woman (who is also a sex columnist) Who Prefers Black Men rate on the racial fetishizer scale? She's off the charts, a textbook case. Here are some salient bits from her essay.
That phrase, "Once you go black, you never go back'" is all about the feeling of the skin . . . Black men have more energy, style and edge than white men . . . something white guys don't have anymore: confidence in their masculinity, their sexuality . . . I am sure there must be some black men who aren't good in bed. Personally, I have not experienced one who isn't . . . They look better than white men, they touch and kiss and make love better than white men. Statistically, their penises are only a fraction of an inch bigger on average, but they seem bigger and harder . . .
Obviously, this white woman likes black men — a lot. It's all about sexualizing them, though, reducing all of them to their skin, to their presumed sexual prowess, their instinctual energy and innate masculinity. If racism is about assuming things about people based on their physical traits, how is this not racism? More disturbingly, her desire, conscious or not, participates in the kind of sexualization of black men that once justified their persecution and even murder.
So what to do about these nonpolitically correct desires? Censor them? Pretend they don't exist? One of my favorite sex columnists, Dan Savage from Savage Love, provides some intelligent advice. He never argues that we should police our desires, just that we be aware of where they're coming from and what they could mean in how we treat our partners. "There's nothing wrong," he tells one person seeking advice who has a fantasy of having a black man have sex with his wife, "with treating someone like a piece of meat during sex . . . some people enjoy being treated like pieces of meat . . . Consent is . . . always and everywhere the magic ingredient . . . As long as you understand the cultural forces that shaped your fantasy . . . there's nothing unethical about realizing your fantasy."
One wonders if these black men who Susan Bakos hooks up with know that she views them all the same way. (One wonders if she thinks viewing them this way is problematic at all.) The heart may want what it wants, Woody Allen said euphemistically about hooking up with his adopted daughter, but that desire can have ripple effects far beyond the couple in question, particularly when one woman's desire is presented, without any qualms or self-questioning, in an essay many people will read.









By Caprice
the woman who prefers black men is a nut job, not because she likes black men but because she thinks she knows every single white man out there!
"Black men have more energy, style and edge than white men . . . something white guys don't have anymore: confidence in their masculinity, their sexuality They look better than white men, they touch and kiss and make love better than white men. Statistically, their penises are only a fraction of an inch bigger on average, but they seem bigger and harder"
um okay, you just keep saying that and maybe it will be true!
1I have heard of this before. Maybe this woman had a good experience with a black guy and thinks all will be the same. It's really odd when people stereotype like this. If I was her I would be careful.
2Not all men are alike.
When was the last time you saw a movie with an Asian as the dashingly handsome lead? Never, right?
Our culture presents white men as the default choice. I have no problem with women having a preference for something else, because it dilutes that power structure.
My husband is Chinese, and I think he was traits inherrent to that which make Jim an especially great husband.
3Ughh...I know some women like this and it is so wierd to me. My city is like the capital of white women/black men. NOTHING wrong with interracial dating but white women who won't even consider someone unless they're black (EVEN if they have no job, no car, live in their momma's basement, etc...) annoy the crap out of me. Also my college roommate is Taiwanese and she got this a lot from white men and a black guy who only dated Asians. Freaked her out. I never htought of it as fetishism, but that is exactly what it is!
4Him. I hate iphone autocorrect.
5This woman just comes off sounding ignorant. Obviously not all men of the same race are comparable, and I would not turn a guy down simply because of his race. I am white, however, and have never dated a white guy. It was really sort of by chance, though. I have been attracted to white men, but just never ended up being in a relationship or going on any dates with them. My boyfriends/dates have been mostly latin, one brazilian, and few black guys. I love to go dancing and usually used to (I'm happily married now) meet my dates at clubs, and one serious boyfriend I met in a dance class, and the simple fact is that when I was single white men did not pursue me as much. I wouldn't say that a white man couldn't satisfy me, because I'm sure that is not true, but I did enjoy the exotic factor in a sexual AND intellectual way. I experienced a lot of interesting chemistry and conversation.
6I don't think this is really a fetish to me. I think it's just like a white woman will date a few black men and then compare the few black men to a few white guys and see a difference. However, the difference could very well just be a lie, because the media portrays black men to be the guys with huge penises, a lot of sexual energy, etc. Women like that should understand that it's just BS. I'd take a guess and say everyone is the same. Black, white, asian, hispanic, whatever men will have nice sized penises, they will be just as enthusiastic, and whatever else on the whole. A few bad or good experience doesn't make one better than the other.
7Being attracted primarily to men of a certain race (whether it's your own or not) is completely understandable, but there is something off about the reasons she states for her preference.
8"When was the last time you saw a movie with an Asian as the dashingly handsome lead? Never, right?"
Many Asian movies (in other parts of the world) have handsome Asian leads.
American
movies are NOT the only movies in world.
Sexual arousal is very individualized. What is sexually stimulating to one person, may be sexually unstimulating to another. To each his own. There is no blanket statement on this one. JMHO.
9Agree CG, it's just stereotyping on her part.
10I've had the opposite happen ... I'm not specifically attracted to any race but I keep finding myself not exactly attracted to black guys. I've met a lot of good looking black guys, some I've become really good friends with ... but there comes a point where I just can't get past the dating or making friends thing to becoming intimate. I think in my head I keep seeing someone who reminds of the guys who were like big brothers to me growing up ... and I definitely don't want to be intimate with someone who reminds me of my brother.
11Well, of course, Glowingmoon. But, I am talking about American culture specifically and American movies.
12There are a lot of men that do this to women too. One of them being my boss (the fact that I know this is already an "ew" factor.) He tells me "when I get married again, I'm going to marry a Mexican or a Cuban" and just LAUGHS big hearty laughs.
13I'm Mexican-American. It pisses me off TO NO END that just because of the color of my (dark) skin (I'm still pretty fair "for a Mexican") I'm idealized, and fantasized about like I can suddenly make great mole and dance salsa (which, I can on the salsa. I hate mole AND tequila.) The thing is, we fit in to the stereotype at times and sometimes just burst out of it. Just like anyone else out there, I don't want to be pigeonholed because of my ethnic back ground, or color of my skin. I want to be loved for who I am, and have all those things be BONUS, not requirements or expectations. My ex always had a preference for tanner skin (I seem to have a preference for pasty, which he was) but he NEVER made me feel like he was with me for that reason. My tan skin was a bonus for him.
I say to each their own and if she (or anyone) is attracted to black men, then so be it! The way she may describe them as being nearly objects is questionable, but it's just what she likes. People are sexually attracted to characteristics in a person as shallow as skin color, it's just the truth, at least she is honest about it. Maybe if she got past the surface of a person's looks and saw into their mind she would find many other races of men attractive. However, from the excerpt, it appears she only wants sex.
14Slate just had a big article about the perceptions of american men about asian women about two weeks ago.
And there are a lot of handsome Asian men in movies! But I do get what you are saying about them being underrepresented though, spacekatgal.
This is an interesting topic. My fiance is filipino and dated has white girls exclusively. He was not attracted to asian women at all (I kinda think this is because of a volatile relationship with his mother). I pretty much have dated a mix of guys from many nationalities. I think that there can be a range of extremes for people: from simply a preference for a certain race to an unhealthy fetish.
15I have been accused of as well as my niece of preferring white men over black. However, we've discussed this and it has nothing to do with color because we both agree we've seen some fine @$$ bruthas. What's it's about for us at least is culture & interests. My niece for instance drop dead gorgeous black women who happens to enjoy white water rafting, skiing/snow boarding, surfing, hiking, bike riding. Yes, obviously there are black men who enjoy these things too but the problem is they're scarce so black men for her are not being excluded (for the most part) they just don't want to hang with her lifestyle. Where as most white men do. I said yeah you ain't gonna find a brutha who'll mess up his Timberland's to do all that girl.
As for me same thing it's a culture thing but I'm slightly different in that I'm a universal type I can mix it up culturally white, black, latin whatev and have a great time but I also need some one else who's as universal as I am because if I'm with a Latin guy who's culture and interests I'm into but then he hits the breaks when we do something (white) that's a problem for me. I have found that white men for the most part can be a lot more flexible in this area than black or latin men.
16"But, I am talking about American culture specifically and American movies."
Yes, I figured as much.
I happen to watch non-American movies, too. In fact, in a recent movie festival (in America), I watched a Japanese movie with a charming male Asian lead. The audience were mainly non-Asian Americans, and we were all captivated.
17I find it a little irritating that it is ok for a white girl to only find black guys attractive, but people get all over a white girl who only finds white men attractive. My personal feelings are that I only really find white men attractive. Although, I never admit that in public because I know someone would call me racist even though I have nothing against men of other races. It is just in general I am not attracted to them.
18I've only ever really been attracted to white men (I'm white)...I don't know why. I guess it sounds kind of racist, but it's usually because I find we have similar interests and come from a similar socio-economic background.
19i am multiracial (Hispanic/white/black) and i have dated guys of each of those races and i tend to be more attracted to men who are multiracial like me. i think the reason for that is because they know what it is like to be influenced by different cultures and for the most part they are open to experiencing different cultures.
20THANK YOU, TRES!! You've brought up something that I find difficult to articulate but that I've talked about and thought about before. All humans share the same DNA are the same, Race is a social construct and the term gets abused a lot...anyhow, I've always thought it was racist or something racist whenever people try to compare a certain ethnicity of women or men with another...and FETISH is the right word for it.
If I thought two people were in love it wouldn't matter to me but a lot of times it's just two people fetishizing. Can you really build a relationship, a whole relationship, out of a fetish?
21...and I would add that (take the Black Men/White Woman) in this scenario if one partner wants to be treated like a whole human being and not just a sex toy, they could start to feel used.
I would that there are Black men who don't even realize that this is institutionalized racism, that it is in their home and in their sex life. It's enslavement.
And we can't forget it's not Black men/White Woman but many diff ethnicities (like the ex of White Men and Asian Women) and so on. There is a good book on this called Black Sexual Politics everyone should check it out.
22"As long as you understand the cultural forces that shaped your fantasy . . . there's nothing unethical about realizing your fantasy."
But sooo many people don't do this. It's sad.
23amazon.com/Black-Sexual-Politics-African-Americans/dp/041595150X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247295353&sr=1-1
*just put the www in front.
24Fetishism
25It's a Fetishism and it's sick...also some people don't seem to get the question (hynomix? - i get what you're saying but that also an example of racism...choose better man).
Reminds me of this convo on HuffPo
huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/08/fox-news-host-americans-k_n_228209.html
If you read the comments it proves how absurd it is to refer different groups of people as different "races" it's like saying they are different species and you know that's not right.
26I think I disagree about it being a fetish. Everyone has their preferences, for one reason or another. I'm white. I've dated a majority of white guys, but I have also dated a latin guy and a middle-eastern guy. (I've heard the saying that Latin guys make better lovers, but I've yet to judge that myself.) I've never gone out with a black or asian guy, but that's just because I've never had the opportunity. I would never *not* go out with somebody because of their skin color. I happened to be physically attracted to each of these guys I've dated. Attraction is going to be different for everyone. Maybe some peoples' reasons are more shallow than others (like everyone is saying about this woman), but it's not the case for me, and I certainly don't think it's fetishism to go on a date with someone of a different race or skin color. It's called being open-minded.
27that article was just ignorant. i mean there's no problem dating someone outside of your race but when you make it clear that you "only" date guys based on physical reasons like soft skin (im sure not all black guys have soft skin. and there are plenty of white guys who do) then its not about the relationship at all. its about the body, the lust, the physical attraction--the fantasy. but she makes that clear herself, right? she's into the sex. i mean thirty minutes after meeting these guys she said she was hooking up with them.
but anyway, it seems like more of a psychological issue to me. there has to be a different reason why she is so against white men.
28I believe it is not a big deal at all! We are after all, when it boils down to the basics, human beings all the same! It only becomes "racist" when people start taking racial preferences for a partner as a personal insult, as though, for example, a white girl who doesn't appreciate men of her own color means that the "white qualities", be it bodily features, or cultural traits are bad.
This is not necessarily true. People have preferences, period. Like how some people prefer dogs over cats, or short-haired cats over Persian cats. They are essentially choosing different beings to love, but apparently nobody (or not many people anyway) seems to care about that.
I'm Asian and I've been with white, Latino and Asian men, and frankly speaking, they are all great in different ways! It is all about the individual. You can't compare apples with oranges (pardon the analogy if it sounded like I'm objectifying men). I thought I preferred white men, but then I realised that I also like Asian men who were brought up in western contexts. I realize that it is the culture and all that comes with that I truly like; nothing to do with the race! "Racial preferences" may not be what it seems to be, you never know until you hear the full story.
29@spacekatgal Almost every movie I see has an "Asian as the dashingly handsome lead".
30I'm not sure if it's a fetish necessarily. I know that I repeatedly find myself attracted to pasty redheads even though I've never consciously set that up as a preference. Why can't we just accept that people are attracted to whoever they're attracted to without the need to justify patterns?
31because countchocula...she is using these men for sex only, which is fine if both parties are consensual. But what if she gets in a relationship with a Black man but doesn't love the person that he is? And Black men have victimized in so many ways we're gonna add this to the long list?
There's a difference between attraction/preference and just using people.
32I'm pretty offended by the author's comment "But in truth, black sisters, we're after the sex, not the ringand these guys aren't the marrying kind anyway."
Basically she's telling everyone that if they see a white girl with a black guy then they are simply using each other for sex as the guys who date white chicks just "aren't the marrying kind anyway"
Gosh... I better go tell my fiancee that we're just supposed to be f*cking and better stop planning our lives together.
I think this author is ignorant for many other reasons then to just assume that all white men over 40 are the same. She's taken the ACTUAL progressive biracial relationships down another peg. Once again we will have to convince our friends, families and complete strangers that we actually love each other for our personalities... not our skin tones.
Lame.
33I'd say that it's no different from someone preferring blondes over brunettes, or something along those lines - close-minded, but not a big deal.
34Wow! Some people are so threatened by the idea of racism existing that it seems like they haven't attempted to understand the point about what constitutes a fetish! Reread the article!!!
It's just as racist and/or creepy when Black men fetishize White women, many times using arguments similar to Ms. Bakos (about superior sexual performance due to being physically made to have sex often). Seriously, that doesn't sound like a fetish or racist?!?! Part of the offense about generalizations like that is that the blanket statement includes your family and loved ones. I once heard a statement about the "visceral sexuality" Black men posses. I was totally creeped out that someone would look at my pimply faced 16 year old Black male cousin, or my 86 year old grandfather, or my middle aged Dad as a sex object. It's totally inappropriate and obviously inaccurate to blame ones sexual preferences on the ones they prefer.
I'm a Black American Woman who was in a relationship with and married to a White American Man for over 10 years. When we split up people expected me to date White men exclusively. When I didn't some went so far as to say "Oh I thought you liked White men?!" I'd tell them I like some of them but I wasn't sure about the ones I don't know!
35"She's taken the ACTUAL progressive biracial relationships down another peg."
I just want to say that not ALL "biracial" relationships are "progressive." They are just people, just everyday couples. No martyrdom.
36but yes I agree Fallen85 with the rest of what you say...
37I am puzzled as to why I only get mail from Asian or Black men on the dating sites I am a member of, I am a white woman, and have never dated a man of a different race to my own. I was once told by a friend at the time that I have the look of the white woman that goes for black men, but she didn't elaborate on that statement, so I am still none the wiser why I attract attention from 'non-white' men.
38I'm a white woman and once dated someone who had a thing for white girls. To be honest, it felt great. Even though I considered that he wasn't seeing me for who I fully was, I was fine with that at that time; simply because of the fact that I am held to a very high political, intellectual, and cultural standards by every other institution in my life. I work hard, I was the first person in my family to go to college, I graduated at the top of my class, I'm surrounded by friends who live their life as hardcore political activists. Coming home to someone at the end of the day who was really into a part of my identity that I could not possibly fail at or lose control of was such a relief.
39Of course, this scenario wasn't perfect, but while it lasted it was great. The thing that made it so was that we were able to talk about this preference openly and I was comfortable enough with it to be fully consenting.
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