ha ha David Letterman is hilarious and in the picture on this post it totally is a slutty flight attendant look! It looks like that jacket has serious 80's shoulder pads!

Oh Sarah Palin, you *do* dress like a slutty flight attendant. Letterman was merely telling the truth.

Well in that case I guess that makes Joe Biden's wife look like ahooker for wearing those "F*** Me" Boots to the Inauguration.

How does she look slutty?

I have to stick up for Palin here. Slutty? Please — how does she look "slutty" in a suit?! Letterman's comment is sexist and uncalled for.

I think the 'slutty flight attendant' joke was a low blow, and Palin definitely had the right to fire back at him by calling him pathetic. She's a politician, and yes, she's attractive, but she doesn't look slutty- she's always covered up in pictures! Also, if she were the opposite, and dressed in baggy or unattractive clothing, they would have made fun of her for that as well (as they did with Hillary Clinton). I don't even like her as a politician (hated her during the elections), but I still think that continuing to make fun of her for the way she looks is inappropriate.

As much as I was vehemently against Sarah Palin and the Republican ticket in the '08 campaign. I think it's ridiculous that she faces SO MUCH sexism both now and during the campaign. It just goes to show how far we have to go.

I thought it was funny! I don't think he's referring so much to her dress so much as her with-a-hose application of makeup. Slutty flight attendant indeed.

can that "pregnant man" go away?! do with your life whatever you want but stop pretending to be something you're not.

The pregnant man things is so stupid...if SHE wanted to have children, why didn't SHE just be a woman instead of taking male hormones, slicing off her breast and being a faker! Sorry but those two kids are going to be soooo confused

I think she has every right to retaliate, as it was utterly wrong of him to make that comment. And her makeup looks fine, mondaymoos. I feel some sympathy for women like Michelle Obama and Sarah Palin, because if they weren't in the spotlight, no one would be all over them about what they are wearing simply because they don't share the same views.

@pinky pink and cherrygirl143- i have never seen anything more freaking ignorant in my life. thomas beaty is a transexual man, has been living as a man, and will continue to live as a man. his female partner was unable to conceive children, so since HE still had a viable uterus he chose to stop taking testosterone and give birth to their children. it doesn't change the fact that HE is, for all intents and purposes, still A MAN. and cherrygirl 143, how dare you disrespect his gender identity by using she and CAPITALIZING IT? are you trying to shame him and other transgendered people into conforming into something your limited intellect can understand? you know what you can do to help that? PICK UP A BOOK about transgendered and transsexual people.

as for sarah palin, i'm on the fence. i hate her with the fire of a thousand suns, and think she played into systematic sexism by using her looks and not much intellect to get ahead, but i will never excuse a man calling a woman slutty, particularly if it's concerning the way she looks and has nothing to do with her behavior (and even if she was "promiscious" that still wouldn't excuse it). and urbanchic101 can we please not follow david letterman's poor example by judging a woman based on the way she looks.

sloane220....uterus=woman

Chill out...I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are.

Sloane, the issue a lot of us have with the "pregnant man" is that no matter what gender he is between the ears, he was born with perfectly functioning female reproductive parts. It's totally unremarkable that he was able to conceive, carry and give birth to children because he was born with the capability. As for the children being confused...maybe they will be, but plenty of other families are "confusing" so who really cares about this one?

But Sloane, maybe you should consider that not everyone who disagrees with you is stupid or uninformed (as you frequently claim). People simply have different opinions, and if you didn't always resort to calling everyone dumb, people might be more receptive to the points you make.

>I dislike Palin more because I think she just uses being in politics to try to obtain her original goal of being in the entertainment business. It's questionable how she got to her position so quickly and with so little community based experience and what has she really done for Alaska. Nothing for the country; therefore, she should be a national topic at all.
>I hope there is an agreement for North Korea soon, it's a threat for national security, but the citizens who live there have to deal with constant threat everyday.
>I think that if I had to live under the constant cloud cover of bomb threats everyday, like that in the Middle East, I'd run until I reached the coast and enjoyed the peace and quiet of swimming for it until I got rescued or drowning. Constant fear is no way to live.
> There has never been a man with a uterus who gave birth. The homosexual woman who is mostly scientifically altered to present herself as a man, with the convenience of preserving her uterus knowing how difficult it is for a gay couple to adopt, has had two children. That's pretty much the story. And I couldn't care less what anyone does with their life or body but to force kids into the drama was inconsiderate and selfish.

*she shouldn't... *the joke was dead on I think, Biden's boot were atrocious but Palin is consistently 'talk to the ass'*

@chouette4u- disrespecting someone's gender identity, stating that they are pretending to be something they aren't, and PURPOSELY using the wrong gender pronoun to mock their gender identity has NOTHING to do with having an opinion, it's discrimination. its not my job to hide my anger at having to encounter someone's willful ignorance. so don't tell me to correct my tone.

Chouette4u - bravo!

omg...how could I forget Stephen... the only people who don't think that gays in the military doesn't affect anyone evidently hasn't been through boot camp. It's not a reason to not allow someone to serve their country, but it does present problems.

cherrygirl43- if gender is really that cut and dry, why are there intersexed people who have no discernable gender, and may have the sex charecteristics of a man and a woman? don't tell me to chill out you chose to completely disregard the facts (that thomas beaty considers himself to be a man and is obviously not a she) and flagrantly mock someone's gender identity by using the wrong gender pronoun and capitializing it. it's unacceptable. and if you educate yourself about transsexualism and transgenderism, you wouldn't do it.

Sloane, what I am trying to say is that if you care about changing people's opinions and showing them that they might want to reconsider something, calling them stupid is the worst thing you can do. If you truly want the world to start seeing transgendered people (or gays, other minorities, etc) differently, your attacks on people are only hurting your cause.

Obviously you have the right to sound as angry as you want, but is it more important to sound angry than to effectively communicate and have a real chance at affecting the way people think?

chouette4u- what disagreement? there's respecting someone's gender identity, and then there's disrepecting it. there were two people disrespecting someone's gender identity, and that is discriminatory and unacceptable. and i also acknowledged that because he was born a woman, he has a viable uterus and was able to conceive and give birth to children. still doesn't mean he's "pretending" to be a man, deserves to be put in his place by being called a she, or shouldn't be considered a man.

sloane - I"m not mocking or discriminating against anyone... and no one is forcing you to read any of this...so state your opinion and leave out the attacks on other people's post. Just because I have a different opinion than you doesn't mean I'm "ignorant".

Sometimes you have to agree to disagree. Move on....

Oh, gawd, PensaPink. I spent four years in the military and had no issues with my bi and homosexual barracks-mates. The people who make it an issue in boot and in other situations are people who need to work on their acceptance meter.

chouette4u- that still doesn't explain you telling me to correct my tone and not saying anything to the people who were obviously being discriminatory. i believe effectively made my point exactly the way i wanted to, and that when people see that others aren't willing to tolerate their b.s. it can help affect change as well. and i resent my responses to pure ignorance being framed as attacks, when they're responses. maybe angry responses, but responses all the same. and i wasn't calling anyone stupid, i specifically used the words limited intellect, because it's something you can develop with education. the only way to combat ignorance and to have INTELLIGENT discussion is education. the two people who thought it was funny to make fun of someone who is different from them obviously need to pick up a book and know what they are talking about.

cherrygirl143- that's mocking and discriminating is exactly what you were doing, when you disregard someone's gender identity, use the wrong gender pronoun repeatedly and capatilize it. it's like you're trying to shame him and other transgendered folks into conforming to their sex at birth, and even if you didn't know anything about transsexualism at all, you'd have to know your behavoir was wrong and ignorant. and honey, the next time you don't want any responses to your "opinions" don't post them on a public board.

Sloan, for one, there are books out there that disagree with what you think...maybe YOU should pick up one of them? I happen to agree with your views on transgendered people, but can you at least acknowledge that it's a complicated issue and many people (including medical doctors and psychologists, they're educated enough, right?) don't all agree on how it should be treated.

And seriously, "are you trying to shame him and other transgendered people into conforming into something your limited intellect can understand" is an attack. Even if YOU don't see it that way, the person you're directing it do probably does, and that is what is important. If you attack people, they aren't going to listen to you, and isn't it important to you to bring awareness and educate people? So by saying things like that to people, you're actually pushing them further away from learning about a given issue and possibly agreeing with your opinion in the future.

@pensapink-" There has never been a man with a uterus who gave birth. The homosexual woman who is mostly scientifically altered to present herself as a man, with the convenience of preserving her uterus knowing how difficult it is for a gay couple to adopt, has had two children. That's pretty much the story. And I couldn't care less what anyone does with their life or body but to force kids into the drama was inconsiderate and selfish. "

what the hell? this is getting annoying. there is gender identity and then there is sexual orientation. thomas beaty is a transexual man, he could have just as easily have been attracted to other men as he is to women. why are you conflating the two? i know plenty of transmen, some are gay, meaning that they are attracted to other men, and some are straight, meaning they are attracted to women. and many of them have had hysterectomies, but thomas beaty chose to keep his to have a child, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be considered to be what he is, a man. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4581943&page=1

chouette4u- really? which ones? because i'm sure they wouldn't come from reputable sources. and different levels of education on an issue or no, bottomline it's despicable to make fun of someone's gender identity, i was angry about it, and i still feel like i had every right to express that. and if someone misconstrues my words and my meaning, even after i explained it, it still doesn't excuse a person from educating themselves. the onus remains on other adults to educate themselves, it's not my responsility to present the fact that they don't know what they're talking about in a pretty pink bow to make it easier for them to consume.

sloane...I didn't and don't have a problem with anyone's opinions!! You started the attacking here, not me!!! Hello??? Pay attention! You went after me for my opinion...I never said one thing about yours. You have totally blown this out of proportion. We all know how you feel so let the rest of us have our say without being harassed.

I"m sorry...I have my opinions and I have no desire to read about transsexuals.

@sloane220 ...I don't even understand wth you said. But I'm sure you have your valid reason for saying it. As did I.

mondaymoos

oops... mondaymoos: It has nothing to do with acceptance, but more respect of space and heterosexuality. I was in the military and we made clear agreements as to respect of space and it was uncomfortable to be gawked at in the shower by women, not my problem to accept, it was theirs. A friend of mine who was also in the military, also a woman, had an entirely different experience and was constantly hit on as if she were in the presence of ogling men. That is total lack of respect of space and heterosexuality. To ignore that is just reverse discrimination.
Not all straight women see being hit on by homosexuals as some kind of flattery any more than unwanted advances from the same sex.

@sloane, I know that Thomas identifies with herself as a man in thought process and sexuality...by choosing to have an altered outward appearance as a man and have sex with women, but we are talking physiology and anatomy here; men don't have a uterus. She choose to keep it. That's the difference in her and another woman who chooses to eliminate all physical traces of being a woman to the extent of having plastic surgery to obtain a penis.
She could have just been a lesbian but for whatever reasons decided to have a male outer appearance. That's the confusion in the argument I think.

"It's totally unremarkable that he was able to conceive, carry and give birth to children because he was born with the capability"

that pretty much summarizes what I wrote on my previous post.

sloane, you answering to public posts is not a problem. your tone on the other hand is completely uncalled for (ignorant... really?? when the f*ck have I met you for you to assume I'm ignorant??). I wasn't "making fun of" anybody for being transexual. I have no problem with gays!! I do have a problem with this person acting as though they're the first person with a penis to give birth when that is not the case.

next time, calm the f*ck down and then maybe someone will take you seriously.

@pensapink- you're mixing up sexual orientation with gender identity. thomas beaty considers HIMSELF to be male and people should respect that, so don't call him a she. he is not a lesbian on the low, he's TRANSSEXUAL MAN. that's pretty disrespectful because you're assuming lesbians want to be men, and we don't, and you're completely disregarding transsexualism. and many transgendered men don't have the operation to get a penis (called a phalloplasty) because it's prohibitively expensive and sometimes atrophies. this is completely seperate from his sexual orientation. he could just as easily have been attracted to men as he was to women. and gender at birth is not cut and dry, there are intersexed people physiologically and anatomically born with the charecteristics of males and females.

If that made your friend uncomfortable, then maybe she should look into another line of work. That's just my personal opinion. I took showers in the group just like everyone else and when someone was staring, my attitude kicked into play as always. Definitely during boot it wasn't an issue since we were taking 3 minute showers and pretty sure no one had the time to be giving someone the eye.
When a homosexual woman hits on me, my answer is "Not my cup of tea." Nothing to get offended about or get all flustered about. If the woman persists, then THAT is sexual harassment. The environment you're describing sounds pretty foreign to me.

@cherrygirl143- it's not an opinion, it's discrimintion and i have no tolerance for discrimination and mocking people because they are different. sorry that you don't want to read about transsexuals and they're not going to be erased of the face of the earth by you disregarding them and purposely using the incorrect gender pronouns.

@pensapink- oh please, lesbians are not trying to push up on straight women all the time. first of all lesbians can have particular types just like anybody else. the criteria for attraction is more than just having a vagina. if someone, male or female, won't leave you alone then yes that's harassement, but stop trying frame it as though there are a bunch of desperate, predatory, and disrespectful lesbians trolling through the military.

@mondaymoos- thank you for your maturity and rationality.

sloane..I never said I wanted transsexuals erased of the face of the earth...and I don't disregard them. If he (better?) wants to be a man...than be a man...last I check, men don't have the ability to have children...so what doesn that make him?...a woman.

It's anatomy my friend and in your words..."pick up a book"

Chouette, some people want to argue and be angry, regardless of whether they're doing a disservice to their own cause.

On another note, It's a shame some people allow their political opinions to blind them to blatant sexism. Letterman has always been a creeper.

sloane, there NOTHING ignorant about what I posted. I'm not saying he has a penis! seriously, calm down and f*cking read the post before you rapidly type away responding to everyone who you insulted. if you don't take the advice others have given you to better help your cause, that's your f*cking problem. don't tell me what not to tell you and then turn around and tell me to pick up a book. way to contradict yourself! your tone is laughable and childish. you're a joke.

pinky pink- "I do have a problem with this person acting as though they're the first person with a penis to give birth when that is not the case." yeah, again how do you know he has a penis?

and when you state that a transsexual person is pretending to be something they're not, it's ignorant and you need to pick up a f**king book. if i am pissed off in response to your discriminatory comments i have every right to express that anger, so don't tell me to correct my f**king tone. you're a joke for being so f**king ignorant and trying to defend it like you've got a leg to stand on.

@mondaymoos: "If that made your friend uncomfortable, then maybe she should look into another line of work"
she was in an all female dorm and she should have found another line of work other than serving her country? Wow, that sounds like women saying that a female stripper deserved to be raped. That's progress.

sloane, you yourself have a lot to learn about what straight women are subjected to. You make it sound as if you have no contact with people outside of a gay social circle.

I've been hit on by gay women in the past, my daughter is approached by gay girls at school... Rosie had a so-called crush on Tom Cruise I hear 'try it, you might like it' plenty of times on this site.

How many gay women now coming out were once married? A lot of straight people get hurt and abused all the time by homosexuals tenancies to either hide their sexuality and blatant bullying tactics to 'overcome'. Like anything else, there has to be a mutual respect to find a peaceful balance.

cherry143- yes, that is actually better. the least you can do is respect someone's gender identity and use the correct pronouns when addressing and discussing them. physically he may have been born a woman, but he does not mentally consider himself one, so that is ultimately what matters. gender identity encompasses more than your physical sex. and i also stated that there are intersexed people who have male and female sex charecteristics, so that their gender at birth is indeterminate. so sex at birth isn't as cut and dry as you would think, either.

@sloane you forgot about straight women being jumped in college and prisons...
What's it like in that oblivious bubble you call self-defense?

Um... how does that have anything to do with a stripper being raped, PensaPink? Way to blow things out of proportion. What I'm saying is that if you (or your friend) are overly sensitive, probably the military is not the environment for you. And it's pretty clear that if some staring and a few comments give you (her) the heebiejeebies, that you should reevaluate the decisions you're making in a rough-and-tumble career field.

and before you do what you do... I don't need a book, I'm related to a head of a college and a Captain in the Army, and friends with a prison executive. Expert, witness accounts still count I suppose.

I was stating that he keeps saying that he is a man (and even kids know that to be a man, you have to have a penis- no, I'm not talking mentally, so don't even get your panties in a twist about THAT-, so by that, he is not the first man to give birth) what don't you get about that?? I have every right to keep saying he's NOT anatomically a man (even though I keep referring to him as a man, because I do respect his preferance to be referred to as a man). you have blown a simple post waaay out of proportion and that makes YOU a joke and completely laughable. pick up a dictionary and look up the word discriminatory because I have in no way discriminated anybody.