On Nov. 18, 1978, more than 900 people living in the intentional community (a polite way of saying commune) Jonestown committed suicide. Their weapon of choice? A grape-flavored drink mixed with cyanide. While it wasn't Kool-Aid (generic — they were socialists!), it is where the phrase "drinking the Kool-Aid" originated.
Before Jonestown became a full-blown commune in the jungle, it was a church called the Peoples Temple. Jim Jones was its founder and powerful leader, though he also went by "Dad." Not a sign at all! With a congregation heavily dominated by African-Americans from poor communities in San Francisco, his goal was to care for parishioners. And in many ways, he did. Social programs were created; sexism was preached against; and racial integration was supported.
Nobody saw it as a cult, though. Nobody wanted to. To find out why, read more.
Jim Jones, who was head of San Francisco's Housing Authority, was active in San Francisco politics and, unlike other cult leaders, in touch with the outside world. But when reports of sexual abuse, public beatings, and staged healings emerged, Jones moved the group to Guyana, a former British Colony in South America.
California congressman Leo Ryan visited the commune with reporters after concern from family members at home arose. It was a tense trip. Dozens of members pleaded to leave with him and several did. Jones's men followed them to the airport and shot at their plane. The congressman was killed along with several reporters and escapees.
Later that day Jones told the 900 remaining members that they had no choice but to commit "revolutionary suicide." And all but a few, who pretended to be dead, did. Until 9/11, it was the greatest single, non-natural disaster loss of American life.









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What a horrible man he turned out to be. I don't understand how so many people could be mislead by one person. Oh wait, we just had an election. Nevermind.
1Dave, that's really hateful. Uncalled for.
2Dave that was beneath you. I hope.
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@ hope
4Anyway, I watched the documentary from one of the surviving members and his accounts of how they killed the children was not only heart breaking but it moved me to tears. The way they killed these people was horrible.
5Over the weekend I watched a program about The People's Temple/Jones town on MSNBC. They talked to survivors. Many people were forced to drink poison by gun point. Some parents killed themselves after their children were poisoned. Watching the program gave me a better understanding of the people of Jonestown
6"Let me present to you what you should see every day when you look in the mirror in the early morning hours ... Let me present to you a combination of Martin King, Angela Davis, Albert Einstein ... Chairman Mao" the words of the mayor of san fransisco willie brown.
frightening how much people revered this man. he was demonic, but charismatic a lethal combination for sure
7Lil, I watched the same thing!
the accounts of the survivors, and the family members was chilling and upsetting.
8The special was called "Witness to Jonestown".
9http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27187801#27187801
I feel incredibly sorry for Jim's son. To know that your father was responsible for the deaths of so many people. It's horrible.
10CG it was heartbreaking to see people who seemed to truly want a better life murdered in such a senseless way.
11I watched that documentary as well. I've always been fascinated by this event.
12CG the woman who killed her children and herself in the bathroom just broke my heart. The way she did it was so brutal.
13Dave, stephen jones has actually given alot of interviews and he has seen his dad for what he was, a mentally ill person and forgiven him, which is noble and i admire him for that.
Liliblu, when they were saying that they saw bad things going on, but thought that the ends justified the means, that the vision of a utopian society was thier dream and in the end it was a nightmare broke my heart.
14Blue, me too, its always been an interest of mine, I dont know why, maybe because i was 5 when it happened and i remember seeing images on the TV and I just didnt understand it.
15We watched this PBS thing about it the other night. Scary stuff indeed.
16Wow I missed the PBS program, maybe they'll replay it soon. I actually know nothing about this tragedy.
17I recommend it, Jessie. Very tragic and sad all around.
18A lot of people who where in that tragedy are burried in Oakland, CA I have been there is is errie.
19I saw part of a documentary on it the other day, and there was this little girl of maybe 7 who was chillingly calm when she described seeing parts of her mothers brains inside of the plane where the congressman was murdered.
It is such a tragic story. It just makes me wonder HOW that could have ever happened, and yet it did.
20Oh geez. It was a joke.
21Comparing Jim Jones to Barack Obama? That's real classy
22First of all, I didn't use any names. You all jumped the the Obama conclusion. How do you know I wasn't refering to politicians in general, which I was. Please accept my almost sinceere apologies.
23I found the article linked to be VERY informative. I never realized the connection between the two events.
24"I saw part of a documentary on it the other day, and there was this little girl of maybe 7 who was chillingly calm when she described seeing parts of her mothers brains inside of the plane where the congressman was murdered."
I saw that too Jillness. I was shocked at how calm the little girl seemed. Just to speak of seeing her mother's brains like that. She was so young.
25Wasn't that just scary how calm she was? I just sat there with my mouth hanging open...one of the most horrific things I have ever seen. I wonder how she grew up...
26It was scary. I think about how I would react to that and I don't think I would ever be as calm, factual, and decisive as she was. I can't imagine seeing your mom's brains like that! I don't know if I would ever recover.
Granted she might have been in shock ... but I thought that interview was later on... maybe? It didn't seem like it happened immediately after.
I can't imagine how she got over that.
27I was in Guyana in 2005 and went by the Jones compound near Georgetown. It was rather chilling to think what transpired there.
28Which Jim Jones compound near Georgetown? I have no idea where that is. Are you talking about where they committed suicide? That's nowhere near Georgetown as far as I know.
29I thought Jim had a compound called "Jonestown" which was about 20 miles outside of Georgetown. He also had homes and offices in Georgetown. That's where his wife and two of his children were.
30I know nothing about that so it very well may be true but I know that not many of the Guyanese people, besides government officials who were accepting bribes from Jones, knew a thing about 'JonesTown'.
31That's true. He did everything he could to keep everyone in the dark as to what was really going on there.
32I have to say I have heard some outrageous things from some people on this site but I must say comparing Jones to Obama is absolutely ABSURED!!!
33On Wikipedia there's an excerpt that says "Former Temple member Tim Carter stated that the reason for choosing Guyana was the Temple's view of creeping fascism, the perception of the dominance of multinational corporations on the government, and perceived racism in the U.S. government. Carter said the Temple concluded that Guyana, a predominantly black, English-speaking socialist country, would afford black members of the Temple a peaceful place to live."
First off, Guyana is not predominantly black, almost 50% of the population is of East Indian descent. Blacks are about 36% of the population. I guess they just lump them all together because almost everyone is dark-skinned(brown in color). I believe that Jim Jones chose Guyana because the place was virtually unknown. When he carried out that mass suicide, he put Guyana on the map. He was avery intelligent man, he knew exactly what he was doing. He bribed the government, they were stupid and greedy to go along with it. The country has been stained ever since. The suicide's the only thing they're noted for.
34Dave: Yeah, he set up an entire community, nearly 1000 people in the middle of nowhere. In the freaking jungle. There's mosquitos, who knows how many of them died from malaria? There are wild animals and snakes like jaguars(I know this because my dad's boss had a jaguar as a pet and my dad used to pet/play with it) and anacondas(freakin' huge, up to 30 ft long) etc. Some of them might have been eaten even.
35I was watching the "Jonestown Story", and found it interesting that some of the people were able to leave simply by telling the guards that "Jim wanted us to go out into the world and tell everyone what happened here." They were so brainwashed.
36I saw part of the MSNBC special and they were talking about how Jones would become anything the people wanted him to be: GOD, their father, their brother, their advisor. It's frightening to think about.
37It's frightening how much power a person can take from another person through being dynamic and using a little con (faith healing).
38I don't think UnDave was comparing Jones to Obama so much as he was comparing some of Obama's supporters to kool-aid drinkers.
“Just 2% of voters who supported Barack Obama on Election Day obtained perfect or near-perfect scores on a post election test which gauged their knowledge of statements and scandals associated with the presidential tickets during the campaign." Zogby Polls
39beavis, i read that poll... the simple answer is that the scandals from the obama side were just a lot less newsworthy. i don't think the media was drooling over obama, they were just doing what they always do 'if it bleeds, it leads', and unfortunately, mccain's campaign was hemorrhaging from day one.
40"I don't think UnDave was comparing Jones to Obama so much as he was comparing some of Obama's supporters to kool-aid drinkers."
I think for the sake of this thread, we can refrain from calling other people 'kool-aid drinkers'(it was Flavor-Aid, btw)...don't cha think? It's just a little tacky. Yeah, just a smidgen.
41less newsworthy? I dont think so, just Obama was the news' darling...
42If by not newsworthy you mean not reported because CNN, NBC, CBS, and ABC were in the tank for Obama, then yes.
Heh, this is another debate...I just thought it would be cute to throw in. Of course the 2% who know the issues all post here.
Saying "drank the kool-aid" has become cliche. That's kinda neat and depraved at the same time.
43Indielove, one man's tacky is the other man's inability to deal with the truth at all times.
44How racist... he put it in the Kool-Aid... you know black people love kool-Aid... it's what we do. But in all honesty how horrible, but people are so easily influenced when they spirits are low.
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46There was a lot of cultural diversity in Jonestown, with a lot of people having mixed heritage. That was part of the dream he was selling.
Koolaid-type drink mixes were inexpensive and could be stored in the humid heat climate. It was a way of disguising the flavor.
Would people feel saying "Drank the koolaid" was as neat if a survivor of Jonestown were reading this, or the family member of one who died?
47I think it is a horrible and disgusting thing to do to people. But I am a psychology major and it fascinates me how people can manipulate and be manipulated in certain situations... This is a case that will forever mystify psychologist b/c no one can truely understand the motives behind actions such as these.
48Lmao PerfectScore
I've been waiting for someone to throw in the
black factor.
But same here; I'm a psych major too. We did a section on brainwashing and conformity and this was one of the cases we looked at. It's sickly fascinating, and I hate to say it's almost impressive all this can come out of one man. The human mind does wonders.
Certainly one of the darkest days in American history.
49Good point Ginger. As always.
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