People were enraged last week when California passed Proposition 8 to ban same-sex marriage, but now opponents are lashing out at the Mormon church for its well-funded campaign against it. And Mormons themselves are speaking up.
OK, so they're not saying this (warning! NSFW profanity), but they are mad enough to resign from the church and post letters of disappointment on Signing For Something. Their reasons? Hatred, bigotry, and discrimination are cited the most, and claims are backed up with LDS doctrine, which says "We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government."
How can Mormons be blamed for a statewide vote? Besides misdirected anger, it didn't help that church authorities asked members to "do all [they] can to support the proposed constitutional amendment." And with that righteous request came millions of donated dollars to fund a campaign against Prop. 8 and produce what are clearly well-funded videos.
I've also heard some rumblings about straight people boycotting marriage. Would you ever leave your religion or not get married because gay people cannot?
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Is anyone else noticing this trend... that whatever topic gets a high number of comments then gets repeated posts dealing with offshoots of same subject?
There are alot of other things going on in the world today.
1I would leave my church too if it did something I was strongly opposed to.
2Agreed Harmony. In fact, I'd leave any organization that promoted or approved of something I was strongly opposed to.
3kranky, yes! For pete's sake this is the sixth prop 8 post in a week and the second today. I know Sugar Inc. is suffering along with the rest of the economy but if you really want to post this much gay marriage stuff for the page views, maybe you should start GaySugar.
4I agree Kranky..and I also agree with Harmony.
5TS-
Oh Lord your comment cracked me up! Gay Sugar...
6I'd leave a church over anti-gay discrimination because its leaders clearly are not serving God as I understand it if they advocate denying anyone such a basic right.
7Kranky I did not notice that but now I do! Geesh, sounds like some people are cutting corners...
As for the Mormon church, this sounds bad, but I'm guessing the people who are now leaving weren't really that committed to begin with or else they would have known their church felt/feels this way and wouldn't have joined.
8It would be so neat if CitizenSugar had a suggestion box for posters, and then we could vote on one story per day to discuss as a group. I can't tell you the number of times that I read a story in the MSM, and scurried over here hoping to see it posted so I could discuss it with folks... only it see it not mentioned.
Afterall, it's not really fair to assume that the good folks at CS can read our minds, right?
9I agree with TRUESONG on this one. Cmon now there are other newsworthy topics besides this one today right?
If there is another one people? withing the next day or so? NO ONE Comment.
10It's almost like this topic is turning into a Spencer/Heidi post on PopSugar.
11If I went to church, I would definitely leave if I discovered it opposed something I strongly supported on moral grounds, since that would indicate that the church's idea of morality was too different from mine.
12And yeah, there have been a lot of Prop 8 posts. I guess it's an easy way to generate controversy among commenters.
13yea but since we're all the same commenters for the most part, we all know how everyone else is going to react! so its pretty dull...
14I've often read and heard people of various Christian denominations ask why do others tease, mock or get angry towards them and their faith and I think the answer is because there are such profound hypocrisies projected from those faiths which effect too many people in a deep profound way. As illustrated in the article above.
Now I've never had a problem with people's chosen faith. What I've always had a problem with is people's actions which have an unnecessary negative impact regardless of faith.
I feel that the passing of Prop.8 was the straw that broke the camels back with the homosexual community. People are very angry and very hurt. Just to show how intense this issue is right now in California. I was at lunch yesterday with a friend at the Cheesecake Factory in Pleasonton Ca. a more conservative area of the Bay Area. I'm what the gay community describes as straight acting in my demeanor however my friend is a little effeminate not much but enough to tell that he's possibly gay. Let me tell you the scowls that we received from the people that were sitting around us was unmistakable. Of course my friend and I didn't give a crap and didn't let it ruin our lunch but people were literally whispering to each other and giving us dirty looks. There was a couple sitting behind us and I could hear the lady say are they gay are they gay and the guy going yeah yeah they are. I turned around and said the gentlemen is right honey are there any other questions you'd like to know about us before I continue my lunch. They just stared at me blankly. The energy they were projecting was likened to a dinner in the South in the 60's if a colored person walked in.
On the other side of things I feel that the homosexual community as hard as it is to do need to temper the (expression) of their anger for their own good. It does not serve them well to appear vicious in the eyes of the general community. I've heard of many physical confrontations that have broken out and that is not what we need.
15I think all the posts are aimed at trying to get everyone to look at things from a different standpoint and argue from there? It's kind of like gun posts...we all know how it's going to shake out and there typically isn't much logical debate, it's all emotional.
16That's awful, Hypno, but your reaction is priceless!
And your analysis of the situation is spot on, as always.
17Honestly I would take 6 more of these in a day if I don't ever have to hear about you-know-who again.
Hypno I would've paid money to see you say that to her. How rude of her.
18Oh their looks were classic honey they were both of them sitting there with forks in hand just blinkin, didn't know what to say. When I turned around it turned everything I had not to explode with laughter. I'd already made my point I didn't want to humiliate them.
19*it took...everything
20I am LDS and oppose prop 8 (though I don't live in Cali anymore). The choice to leave has been heavy on my mind, but for me I have a lot at stake, such as a husband who is fully involved (though he doesn't support prop 8 either) and children. Leaving would be huge for us and I'm afraid it would cause trouble in my marriage.
I love my religion even though there are things I do not agree with. The LDS church was not the only religion to participate in this, though they have been very vocal about it. I feel very torn on the issue. And just wanted to point out it's not always as cut and dry as walking away and leaving the religion.
21Dude, what a pair of a-holes. I would have been very tempted to just sit there staring at them with a dirty look until they got too uncomfortable and left.
22It might have been fun to wink and blow kisses at them
23I bet they're a lot more careful about whispering about other people in public now
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Hypo.
25Nothings ever cut and dry erinflower. Thank you for sharing your perspective.
26Hyno... as usual, you are a much better person that I am! I don't know if I would have been able to contain myself from being all,
"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker."
27OH my goodness. Spellcheck much?!jfd;lafja;dkfja;d
HYPNO, as usual, you are a much better person THAN I am!
28"Right to the babymaker."
Oh my God
29That'd show them, right Jude?!
30Yeah, and also, that seems like something that would just be really fun to say.
31babymaker?
32I say that all the time!
33Thanks amy...now I wanna watch Anchorman.
34I do what I can.
35Hey everyone! We'd absolutely love to receive your suggestions. You can post topics you'd like to see covered in the Citizen Question Time TeamSugar group. We'll start featuring your suggestions and questions soon!
36I just joined the group--thanks, Liberty!
37IMO, one of the biggest reasons that Prop 8 passed was the false advertising that was heavily funded. They said that church officals could be fined or arrested for not performing gay marriages, and they said that they would have to teach it in schools, etc. These are all lies, and I think they influenced a lot of people.
For this reason, I do think that those who funded the ads carry a lot of weight for why it didn't pass.
Hypno, you are such a gem!! What a classy way to handle that.
38I'm Mormon. Here is my general thoughts on prop 8: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3219/3011854474_5ebb88d3b5.jpg
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I love your photo kelly!
40Love your thoughts, Kelly!
41I was a member of the LDS Church for a few months (a decision made for all the wrong reasons), and while I think that most of them are great people, I did find them and their teachings to be very closed-minded. I could never understand or agree with their belief that there are 3 "levels" of heaven, and you can only get to the top one and live with God if you do everything the Mormon church tells you to do. I'm sure that all religions feel that their way is the right way, but their teachings seemed exceptionally arrogant to me. And I'm not trying to insult any members of the church, that is just my opinion based on my time spent as one.
42Just Kelly that is awesome!
43O.K. just_kelly you made my eyes water, good for you honey.
44wow justkelly that was really great!
and as for the story I agree with Harmony in her first comment! I would have done the same thing!
45Honestly, even if a person of religious faith were to believe homosexual marriages and homosexuality in general is wrong, shouldn't that judgment ultimately be saved for God? Taking action against homosexual marriages by way of voting 'yes' on prop 8 is still infringing on the personal lives of people who will never negatively or positively affect your own. If I were Mormon, I would have left the church, too. It isn't up for me, the preacher, or any other religious person to decide how others should live. The best religion can do is to teach good values and it's free will from there as long as you are following the golden rule of doing unto others as you would have them unto you.
46**sigh** I am sad to say that Pleasanton is very much like that. My hometown, I would know.
47I'd be all for a gaysugar. I can finally ask other sugars about their opinion on purple glittery strap on...I've been thinking about buying my first one
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48I feel you hypno, I'm very petite and fem looking and sometimes it takes going out with my dykier friends to remind me of how bad it still is and how much worse it is going to get.
49while you're at it, maybe stop eating until everyone has enough food too.
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