Good for them!
I dont know how long it will go on for but I hope its not too long!

I still can't believe Prop 8 passed!!! I hope it gets overturned somehow!

I predict that gay marriage will eventually be legalized. The problem seems to be more generational than anything.

I'm truly saddened about what a bad day it was to be gay in American yesterday. Seems like we're taking a step backwards here.

I hope Jerry Brown's successful in upholding those marriage licences. How awful would it be to have to, essentially, un-tie the knot?

My heart breaks for couples who got married while it was legal only to face having their licenses threatened.

Foxie is there anything new on that?
I really hope they dont mess with them! Its beyond f*cked up!

Basically this issue will always have an approximate 50/50 split as far as for/against opinions go, and until everyone realizes that religious values should not play any role in politics this issue will never be settled.

I wish they could have protested peacefully, it just makes them look bad.

Makeup- I don't think that's true. I think it will be legalized eventually, maybe even soonish. Civil rights movements never die, they only grow.
Momma- I haven't heard anything else about it. =/

It is so heartbreaking. I really really hope the Attorney General is successful in allowing the already married to remain so. I think it's awful that they even made it retroactive in the first place.

I mean, it's completely awful that it passed (or was even proposed) at all, but it seems especially DISGUSTING to take away rights that people already had (albeit for a short time).

I can't believe that Prop 8 was even on the ballot.

Ellen put it best.

Eventually the other half of society will catch up and realize what a mistake this really was.

I hope that the challenges pan out.

Good for them! They need to keep fighting.

It was such a devastating step back, but it definitely is generational, and theres a lot of support from the younger set. College students, and even younger. My 11 year old brother doesnt get why being gay is bad...why abusive marriage and divorces are okay but gay couples that love each other isnt? we're getting there and hopefully president elect obama will be able to bring us together as a country and GLBT rights will be granted, finally.

I'm sure that the legalization of gay marriage will eventually pass, and eventually pass in all 50 states, but I think this setback shows us what a long and difficult struggle it will be. And I don't think that all (or even most) of the people strongly against gay marriage will ever be convinced to accept it. Unfortunately the opposition to gay marriage seems mostly to come from an emotional and/or religious point of view, which is very hard if not impossible to change through logical argument.

I am still very upset about this

There aren't any protests here in Tucson that I've heard about and AZ passed a similar prop. At least people there seem to care.

A day after America looked like it had taken a giant step forward towards liberalism, by electing its first African American president, it took a step backwards by voting to certify Proposition 8 in California. I suppose America can only swallow so much change in one sitting.

In time, I believe this too will see change.

Well... Prop 8 was largely passed because most of the minority voters that turned out to support Obama also happened to oppose gay marriage. Big backfire, huh?

Is that really true foxie?? I thought it was older people but did not see anything about minorities. I did see some news channels that interviewed minorities about it but I didn't think that meant they were the majority.

White people were split 50-50, but minorities tipped the scales by being something more like 60-40.

It will come to fruition eventually. Look at how openly racist many parts of the country were during the Civil Rights Movement. There are already laws banning the discrimination of gays. It will be slow and tough, but at least there isn't the equivelent of Jim Crow laws to overcome.

What blows my mind is that 69% of Black voters voted YES on Prop 8 compared to only 45% of White voters voted YES on Prop 8. We take a step forward by voting in a Black president and then a step backwards by making Gay Marriage illegal again... it's just so heartbreaking.

Thank god I'm Canadian.

Of the in-person votes cast on election day, the Proposition FOR H8te 'won' by roughly 506,000 votes.

But, on Wednesday, county officials were just beginning to tally at least 1.6 million leftover provisional and mail-in ballots across California.

According to the LA Times, counties have until Dec. 2 to count the votes, according to the secretary of state's office.

Some officials reportedly said they have more uncounted ballots than normal because of a surge in voting.

That is really sad.

People can keep fighting against gay marriage but a change is gonna came, it always does,, and everyone will be able to marry the one they love

I'm with dreamsugar, why was it on the ballot?

"What blows my mind is that 69% of Black voters voted YES on Prop 8 compared to only 45% of White voters voted YES on Prop 8."

Fallen, it's not that shocking to me (maybe I'm biased because I'm Black, ha). Black culture, particularly of the older generations, in America, has always heavily centered around religion. While Black Protestants tend to have more left-leaning beliefs than their White counterparts [most of the young Black people I know that identify themselves as Christian also identify themselves as liberal or very liberal], one thing that hasn't changed much is the attitude towards homosexuality in general. There's plenty of religious justification to back up why this is the case and they feel that way. Note: There's a LOT to unpack in that statement...more than this comment would allow!

* I hope I'm not coming across as being for or against gay marriage or homosexuality, or as wishing to have a debate about religion. The psych major in me that studies social structures only wants to suggest some reasons [based on studies and personal experience] why that statistic occurred.

Personally, FWIW, I probably would not have voted at all on Prop. 8, had I been in a state where it would have been on the ballot.

Margokhal, my husband and I wouldn't have voted on it either.

Meaning you wouldn't have voted either for or against it?

My boyfriend is not only Black, he's Jamaican. He moved to Canada 4 years ago. To this day they still lynch homosexuals in Jamaica, a number of musicians have been banned from entering England or North America due to their violet lyrics towards homosexuals. It blows my mind to think that there are parts of the world that are still so violent towards homosexuality, especially in a country that was repressed and enslaved due to their race!

I would just think that a race that was so held down because of something they couldnt control would relate to a group of people who are currently being judged for something they cant control. It's a big fight between religion and realism.

It's so sad but one day homosexuals will be as easily accepted as those from a different race.

Yes bluesarahlou, if you were asking me

Well according to some people on here Proposition 8 will fall one day when enough people are convinced that God doesn't matter,(UnDave).

I agree it will fall but we don't need to be convinced that a loving creator that created us all and loves us equally does not matter. Quite to the contrary it is the truth of our origin that will set us free from the shackles of ignorance and allow us to live as the brothers and sisters we are.

Same sex marriages are legal in South Africa, come get hitched here!

Where is UnDave's comment?

If they can't marry, no one should be able to.

If Pamela Anderson can get married again, if Elizabeth taylor married 8 times, if Britney had a 55hour marriage then why can't two people who love each other get hithced.

An older (conservative) black woman I work with told me that as much as she disagrees with gay marriage because of the lifestyle - she recognizes the struggle that her parents and grandparents went through and although being gay is not the same as being black, she feels that being denied the right to have even a civil union (2 has even worse provisions than 8 in FL) is an issue of being treated differently.

I guess I had hope that others would see this issue the same as her. Obviously I was wrong. Such a disappointment.

by the way it was 7 out of 10 Black voters in CA that voted yes on 8

If Pamela Anderson can get married again, if Elizabeth taylor married 8 times, if Britney had a 55hour marriage then why can't two people who love each other get hithced.

I'm a little slow on this. So just to clarify for myself, the couples who have gotten married, if Prop 8 isn't overturned, then their marriages are invalid?

Wow.

Fallen85 it's a on the second page now on the first post dealing with Prop8

Fallen - It's on a different thread regarding prop 8. Page two on CS, I think.

Yes, bluesarahlou, I would not have voted either for or against Prop. 8, had it been on the ballot where I live.

Fallen, I see what you're saying, except that homophobia might be viewed as a totally different kind of beast than racism. While race [a manmade social construct] is clearly not under anyone's control [ a genetic issue, I think most would agree], it's not entirely clear whether homosexuality is or isn't [the whole "nature or choice" debate]. There have been studies supporting both sides...personally, I have always thought the truth lies between two extremes [there's probably *both* genetic and social influences], but that is a separate issue in itself. I don't agree that there's a fight between religion and realism, only misunderstandings and misapplications of both.

It's possible that people may have been for Prop. 8 for entirely non-religious reasons as well.

Good point, margokhal

"I wish they could have protested peacefully, it just makes them look bad."

Yeah, being angry over a ridiculous ballot prop passing, having your rights violated, your marriage invalidated and then protesting in the streets is just an awful thing for one's image. Whatever.

I want to start by saying that while I am a Christian, I don't feel a need to force my convictions on anyone else through legislation. I would like to point out, however, that those who say religion should be left out of politics should look in the mirror. What you are really saying is that they should leave their beliefs out of politics. Meanwhile, you are expecting them to accept your beliefs. What belief? The belief that homosexuals can't help how they are. If I am not mistaken, there is still a giant debate in the scientific community on whether homosexuality is due to nature or choice. There hasn't been any concrete scientific proof that states otherwise.(correct me if I'm wrong) Many people, not just Christians or religious people, believe that homosexuality is a choice. I'm sure all of the homosexuals or supporters reading this will jump out of their skins and say there is nothing that they can do. I will show you a line of addicts that say that there is nothing that they can do. I don't wish to get into a debate. I am not taking a side. I am simply stating the fact that everyone brings beliefs and world views into politics, and most believe so fervently that they can't see how anyone could possibly see things another way which must make the way they believe the right way. I agree with you if you say we should not force our beliefs on others, but most of us do. I would submit that it is not the religion you want left out of politics, just the difference of opinion. Or is it ok to push your personal beliefs as long as they aren't religious in origin? Isn't that religious discrimination? Separation of church and state does not mean separation of person and beliefs. It means that one should not control the other in order that they don't corrupt each other.

"those who say religion should be left out of politics should look in the mirror. What you are really saying is that they should leave their beliefs out of politics. Meanwhile, you are expecting them to accept your beliefs."

I see where you're going with this, Dude, but don't you think that there's a difference between imposing a belief that actively takes certain rights away from one group despite the fact that they harm no one else with their marriages and sexual orientation, and imposing the belief that everyone should receive the same rights in marriage regardless of sexual orientation because to grant them those rights hurts no one?

One is taking something away.

The other is simply stating that that something shouldn't be taken away.

I am The Dude - For not wanting to debate or take a side, you sure did a good job of stirring the pot. Good luck with that...

Jude, its like ur all up in my brain girl!
always saying what I am thinking

None of the people at those vigils (me included, though I wasn't able to go) will stop until we get the equality we all deserve.