Despite news of a dead bear cub shot through the head and draped with Obama signs and a car vandalized allegedly for sporting a McCain sticker, apparently hate group activity has been less intense than expected this campaign. Groups who monitor hate activity with an eye toward preventing violence are reporting an eerie silence from traditional sources of open racism — much less than they expected this late in the race.
The director of a law center that tracks hate group says, “What we really haven’t seen is white supremacists really rallying over an Obama presidency. Hate groups are in a more or less stunned position right now; they haven’t been able to figure out how to proceed just yet.”
Politician Douglas Wilder, 20 years ago had a campaign almost fail because of the Bradley (or Wilder) effect — where polling indicates voters will do one thing before succumbing to suspected race-related cold feet in the booth. He now says, "America has grown, people have grown."
Is this the case? To find out, read more.
Perhaps. Though even children are acutely aware of the issue of race in the campaign, it seems to be having an unexpected affect — nine percent of voters say they're more likely to vote for Obama because of his race, more than those who wouldn't for the same reason.
But has hate been quiet? We've seen presidential mailers looking like food stamps emblazoned with fried chicken, an effigy of Obama hung from a tree at a college in Oregon, and the KKK saying they hope if Obama is elected it will inspire a white backlash.
I suppose listening is in the ear of the beholder as to gauge the volume level on that. But will hate groups' vociferousness become more prevalent in the next two weeks — or on election night? Are they really too stunned by the becoming more real possibility of an Obama presidency to gather their organizations to rally? Or has America, like Wilder says, "grown?"









Boots
Minnetonka
Agnes B
"Hate groups are in a more or less stunned position right now"
-lol love it. I hope they remain stunned.
1I think hate groups being quiet makes me more nervous than them being obnoxious. It only makes me wonder if they are being quiet because they are defeated or because they are planning something really big.
2i also kind of feel like in the grand scheme of things that there are bigger things that the are being focused on this time around. with the economy and all that - i think that we're hearing more about that stuff and less so of hate crimes. i think that maybe a lot more voters are concerned about the issues rather than race, and that's a good thing.
3Why would somebody shoot a bear cub?
4I always find it so funny that the KKK has to run around with masks on. If they really could stand behind their "cause", wouldn't they be more proud to show their ugly, hateful faces all the time?
5The hate groups aren't being quiet, they're just not capable of making as much noise as everyone expects them to.
6The thing is, I don't think anyone gives a crap about blatant hate groups anymore. They are just so fringe, usually there are more people protesting the KKK at their rallies than there are KKK members at the rallies. I do worry about assassination attempts though.
It's the more insidious stuff, like asserting that Obama is a terrorist, or a socialist or a Muslim- solely to inspire fear that bothers me. Because that really does influence the general electorate, even people who might have voted for Obama, or usually "know better."
But did anyone see that awesome video where the McCain supporters were like "stfu, are you trying to lose this election for us?" to the anti-Muslim guy at the McCain rally? That was super positive!
Watch if you want to get warm fuzzies:
http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/10/20/this-room-feels-like-its-g...
7I agree with haus. I don't think they aren't being vocal because they are stunned, or don't have enough members to make themselves heard. IMO, they are planning something, and are waiting for the appointed time to strike.
8snow--I saw that. Way to go with making Muslim McCain supporters feel comfortable with the crowd they're voting with, losers.
9Quiet, wth. They are plotting and planning - the great movement. You better recognize.
10They are always plotting or planning something--the question is, are people going to live in fear of it?
11There was a KKK meeting at our local Tim Horton's over the weekend. So they are meeting and planning and pushing on with their agenda.
12I have to agree with Hauf on this one quiet is not necessarily good. I "quiet racism" is the most frightening kind of all and ones that are most prevalent in big cities. And I say this from personal experience my time living in Arkansas ( 4 years) and issue with race have been much more pleasant than my lifetime in California and racism that is much more devious.
13I agree with Haus, I dont like it when they are quiet! that scares me more than seeing them shouting with hoods somewhere. But than again thier washing machines might have broke, and the bad economy wont allow them to fix it, and they just WONT be seen in public with dirty sheets so....
14A few years back I went to the Spy Museum in DC and they had a travelling exhibit of terrorism in America, a big part of which was the KKK, it was bone chilling.
But they had this map that showed the cells of terrorism in America, domestic terorrists, and it was crazy. They were all over. I figured the KKK was just a southern thing, nope, all over. Its terrifying.
15I know some clansmen, because i went to school with their kids and the most they plan is a bake sale.
16"But did anyone see that awesome video where the McCain supporters were like "stfu, are you trying to lose this election for us?" to the anti-Muslim guy at the McCain rally? That was super positive! Smiling Watch if you want to get warm fuzzies:
http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/10/20/this-room-feels-like-its-g"
I got warm fuzzies. I'm actually proud of those McCain supporters who stomped on those xenophobic racists. They have their facts straight.
17One more thing who says you have to be an organized and full fledged " hate group" to hate. There have been many a pundit that have made some questionable remarks regarding race and I find them more offensive than that of the KKK. We expect ignorance from the KKK but we don't expect it from a well educated,highly intelligent, public figure that's much more scary because the power they wield is really the power that matters.
18My HS was funded by a Klansman. It's funny to me, because the mascot is the Dragon. My town used to be a headquarters for Indiana. It's scary, but the Klan hasn't been around for 75-100 years there.
19*The land and the building were given by a Klansman. Sorry for the confusion.
20I think that there has been an underlying hate in outside groups supporting McCain, not McCain himself, but just like the group in the video, thank you for the link, but everyone going after Obama about being Muslim and even African American stereotypes in their advertising. I heard about something that had Obama surrounded by watermelon and fried chicken. That doesn't sound like a fair depiction of the man!
21It is also true that hate groups are not just in the South. Last time I checked Pennsylvania had the highest concentration of hate groups.
"an eerie silence"
Yeah, I'm not finding the silence comforting. Maybe they're too stunned by the hits to their 401k's to hate? Nah. They've probably been readying for the race war they'll start if Obama is elected.
22I liked that video because it showed the good and the bad. I mean, there are so many videos (I've even linked one) of just the really stupid people at McCain rallies, but here you got to see the good and the bad.
23*linked one before
24I just think "traditional" hate is no longer marketable, so these groups are turning to other ways - blatant racism is marginalized, no one wants to listen to it but the choir who wrote the songs - these groups survive on attention - when people stopped paying attention to them and brushing them off as lunatics they changed tactics. So instead of attacking Obama with usual tactics they have called him "different" "not like us" "anti-American." (and yes, this means I believe Sarah Palin is a hateful person who would use the "traditional" tactics if she could get away with it).
I don't think we know how much we have changed in the past 20 or even 10 years, people not only not respond well to hate, but they respond by speaking out against hate, fear on the other hand still works.
25i don't think they are being quiet because they are planning something. give me a break. these people are completely out of touch with reality and don't have the resources or know-how to strike in any meaningful way. even when KKK was at it's height it wasn't planning nationwide strikes against the country - they specialized in specific, local "projects" and worked on putting fear in people within their own small towns. that's why they have local chapters (or "cells", if you will).
on the flip side, i think the real worry should be about the people who do not consider themselves to be affiliated with any "official" hate group but who are being brainwashed into thinking that barack obama is a terrorist, anti-american, communist, (insert your own negative, blasphemous characterization here)... they are filled with anger, mistrust, and fear (sadly) right now and if indeed he does win in a couple weeks, they are going to need some serious "talking down" by the republican party - and something tells me they aren't going to get it.
26Hate groups yes -- but it's all the individual hate that's disturbing!!
27I'm glad that someone pointed out that the KKK is not merely a southern thing. I am very southern myself, as are all my family, and the stereotype up north about what southerners are like is terrible.
28what did i just sign into bizarro sugar?
29I don't want to give more credit to the Klan than necessary, but I think they probably know that the more vocal they are against Obama or FOR McCain the more people will support Obama. People don't want to be associated with the Klan so if the Klan openly and endorsed McCain I think many middle of the road conservatives would feel compelled to vote for Obama.
30CaterpillarGirl - You are too funny. I just hope that if Obama wins they don't assassinate him.
31snow: how about the (to use your own words) "really stupid people" at Obama rallies? or the people who showed up at a Palin rally spitting hate and wearing shirts that read "Sarah Palin is a c*nt"?
32Hate exsists on both sides. It's a sad sad truth.
yesteryear: the only real "brainwashing" going on these days is by our mass media (i.e. NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc.)
33you're quick to point out the Republicans that need a "talking down" and I ask you do you not see the hate, bias, and bigotry that exsists among Democrats as well? Don't they need a "talking down" as well?
Chancleta- What about them?
I would not condone anyone wearing a "Sarah Palin is a c*nt" button any more than I would condone John McCain calling his wife one.
That has no bearing on the fact that the people who yell racist, terrible slurs at a McCain rally are "stupid."
And the people who tell them to get lost give me warm fuzzies.
And who shrug and say "well the Dems. do it too," almost justifying bad behavior on the basis of other bad behavior? They make me slightly angry.
34I thought we were talking about the KKK, not Sarah Palin being the c-word.
35I'm glad the lunatic hate groups are keeping their mouths shut, but as others have pointed out, there's plenty of more covert and insidious hate to go around.
Oh, and chancleta, while I see your point, there is a world of difference between a "Sarah Palin is a c*nt" button and the concerted campaign to paint Obama as a terrorist-loving anti-American Black Panther wannabe with a Black Panther wife. Both are awful, but I do see much more hate in the latter.
36Lunatics! They're everywhere.
37I would rather be called a C@nt or out of touch or erratic or angry once a day everyday then have people yell.. kill her.. off with her head, treason, terrorist or socialist.. especially by some of these people.
Obama supporters getting their tires slashed at rallies, a baby bear getting shot in the head and covered in Obama stickers, effigies of Obama being hung from trees for Halloween, Obama signs being stolen and confederate flags being put in their place, calling Obama the anti-christ, calling him the n word, saying he was sent here to destroy the US, calling him a socialist to his face and refusing to shake his hand, the monkey with the Obama sticker being referred to a lil Hussien coming to see real Americans and the truth.. all while smugly thinking you are a REAL American and a good Christian.. makes my skin crawl.
The KKK is "quiet and stunned" cause they cannot believe how many "good Americans" and "good Christian" folk will blindly carry out their agenda for them. GOD forbid the KKK do come out to a rally.. those good folk would be horrified to see themselves mirrored back.
38Okay, but it's very, very bad to call someone a c*nt. Especially if it is your wife. Especially if you are running for president...
39Or "trollop," for that matter.
40Jude- any time my bf gets mad at me now he goes, "now just wait a minute, you TROLLOP" lol.
41I can't get behind a "Sarah Palin is a c*nt" button, but I don't know, a "Sarah Palin is a trollop" button might be all kinds of wonderful.
42LOL!
43Where do you even find a baby bear to kill? Don't they usually run around with their mothers?
White supremacist groups seem to be everywhere, that's for sure. The Southern Poverty Law Center has a great "hate" map:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp
A lot of nuts out there.
44Geeze citizen, I get more uncomfortable everyday in this country the more reminded I am of racism that, on most days, I manage to sweep under the rug of my thoughts and chalk it up to "my imagination." I just want to yell "Stop fogging up my rose colored glasses!"
Seriously though, I just hope extremists groups are feeling isolated in a more progressive society and not that they're planning something post election/inauguration.
45If Barack wins of course
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46Sticker- I'd never seen that map before- it was so eye-opening. There is one group around here that I hear referred to all the time, and it's really almost mainstream, so when I saw it on the map, I was like, "no, they're wrong about this group." Well, I googled their webpage- and it's absolutely awful. I am literally shaking right now, I am sure my church partnered with them all the time when I was growing up. Ugh.
47Wow! thanks for that link... though i probably wont be able to sleep tonight!
48Well I'm def. on the gov't watch list now... cuz I've looked up a bunch of these groups since seeing where they are on the map.
I'm waiting for a black Suburband to drive up and take me away any second!
49Well the Jewish Defense League is listed as a "general hate group" in California according to that link I posted...kind of interesting. Looks like there is a pretty big umbrella under which hate groups exist (according to the SPL center). At least they have a comprehensive white supremacist database.
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