Dear E. Jean,
I'm trying to sort out my dilemma, which concerns the man I've been dating for two months — he's 34, me 30. We have an incredible amount of things in common, laugh a lot together, both have our ducks in a row career-wise and financially. We love surfing together, making dinner, biking, we've traveled together twice without a hitch, gee what a match!
Well after about a month of wonderful, he freaks out and doesn't call me one night we have plans. I call him the next day, and he tells me he had a freak-out because we’ve been having sex, which doesn't align with his Christian values. Now he knows it's wrong. So end result, he wants to date, but no more sex.
He's been engaged twice before, both ended by the ladies. He thinks he may have rushed into the engagements because he's Christian and believes in waiting until marriage for sex.
Another month goes by. He says I've been “amazing and sweet”. He says I’m fun and he likes that I don't play games. He says I "have all the qualities he would want in a girlfriend," but he's not there yet. My stunned response was "it's only been two months . . . we're still just getting to know each other, so dating is fine."
My questions: Am I being let down easy; should I get out now? I wonder why he wants to continue seeing me. I feel like on paper I'm his ideal, attractive, outdoorsy, fun, laid-back, low-maintenance woman but perhaps something is missing for him and he wants to make sure? Or is he just looking to not be alone? Would I regret it more if I ended it now (the constant flip-flopping is killing me), or gave it a chance only to have another whammy delivered later? Or am I overthinking it entirely and should just live my life and let the chips fall where they may?
Speaking of which, we have not had sex since “the talk,” and have barely fooled around, in fact he rarely touches me now — a big problem. He acknowledges that he's not very affectionate.
Help! I can't sleep, because I alternate between crying because I feel so rejected, and angry that he's so all over the map. That's my story. I feel like there’s potential with him, but is it worth it? Oh, I should comment that I am not Christian, but very supportive of his values, and thought it was so refreshing to date someone that believes in faithfulness and honesty and the sanctity of marriage. — Nauseated in San Diego
To see E. Jean's answer read more.
Miss Nauseated, My Luv, I have one word for you: RRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnn!
This poor lad sounds like a decent guy, but he’s no more “rushing” into marriage than Heidi Montag is rushing to gain weight on her thighs. If he liked sex, he’d have walked down the aisle years and years ago. (Many deeply religious people marry young, make superbly stable marriages, and enjoy just ridiculously hot rumpty dumpty about three times a day.)
So, to answer your questions:
Yes. You are “being let down.”
Yes. You should “get out now.”
Yes. “Something” is “missing for him.”
Yes. You are “overthinking it.”
Yes. He has “more issues than National Geographic.”
And to answer the one question you didn’t ask:
Yes. He is gay.
To see more advice from E. Jean, visit Elle Magazine and AskEJean.com.









Matthew Williamson
Prescriptives
Celine
Wow, I'm glad I wasn't the only person whose gaydar screamed like a little girl when I read that letter...
134?!?!? oh girl, RUN. this sounds like my first boyfriend. YIKES. everyone thought he was gay, too...
2This one does sound like he may have some issues that you can't handle! I would keep a close eye on him and I mean very close! If this was me I would ask some series of question's b/c some men don't know how to come out with the truth so if he's one of those types then you need to find you a new found friend!! Remember he's not the only guy and secondly you might find one that's strictly about women!
3yeah seriously besamemucho my gaydar went off too. Seriously this is a bail out and run kind of situation or be his friend and find a guy who you dig and will please you
4I agree with everyone..and the reason u cant sleep and are upset is probably bcus u are not getting any!
5I know some people do wait until marriage to have sex based on their religious and moral values. But this guy had sex with you and then told you how he was a Christian and how he didn't want to have sex until marriage, blah blah blah. A little late, don't you think?
I'm thinking he sees you more as a friend and not as a girlfriend. And I'm thinking something IS missing for him: the fact that you don't have a certain sexual organ.
Sorry, but he's gay.
6I don't necessarily think the guy is (or is not) gay - it's beside the point though really.
Regardless of his sexual orientation or even his feelings for you, you should get out because he's not giving you what you need. You should be with someone who makes you feel happy and loved, not angry and rejected. Doesn't really matter "why."
I think you are just so burned out by dating that you are trying to make something work with anyone who professes to be marriage and relationship-oriented, no matter how well it works for you in actuality. So get out! Then you can find a guy who makes you happy and loved, then worry about the marriage part.
7woah I totally didnt get the vibe that he was gay. Just has issues. Weird I guess I lack the true female gaydar.
8saying he is gay is kinda rude don't you think. as a christian myself I have known many of people people (yes, including guys who yes did have sex,but decided that they should just wait until they are married.this guy does sound a lil wierd though.
9Wow, so the guy actually has morals and values, ADMITS that he has them and would like to follow the teachings of his faith, that he thinks you are awesome and wants to continue to see you but not have sex, and your upset about what exactly? You wonder whats behind it? if he "wants to make sure" you are the right one? whats wrong with that?
He doesnt want to "fool around" now because it might lead to something HE DOESNT WANT TO DO>
If i were him i would drop you like a hotcake because obviously you have no idea what a good man is.
He isnt Gay, he is a good christian man, some of you might not know of any to compare.
10My husband and I, Both christians decided early in our relationship after praying about it, that we would stop having any sort of sex and wait untill marriage, and it was hard but meant alot to both of us.
11It's not rude; it's what we think.
12sounds like he has issues-gay or not-christian or not-there is a reason why 2 ladies dumped him. Always look at previous relationships. Leopards don't change their spots, unless they want to!
13i don't get why people STOP having sex after they start
you did it once, why would you stop? pray or not, it's a physical relationship with someone you love. carry on.
14I agree with skigurl.
15I agree -- something is wrong. I got a blip on my gaydar, too.
Um, in my past, I've dated some devoted Christian men. Without TMI, I don't think the problem is his Christian values. JMHO.
16well, skigurl, as a christian its against our beliefs to have sex before marriage, but being human and having free will we make mistakes, I know I did! To pledge to eachother to stop the sex, to honor eachother the way we see we should be is a huge sacrifice on both parts, Its not easy let me tell you, but i felt stronger, and I felt that our relationship was stronger for it.
Think of it as Lent for your genitals.
17CaterpillarGirl, did you and your husband get married in your mid-30s? Was your husband engaged twice previously but the women were the ones to walk away? Was your affectionate towards you in the beginning and then a couple months in go berserk and decide that he doenst want to be "affectionate" anymore until he gets married but not necessarily to you?
This guy is bonkers. He's 34 and unmarried for a reason! And him being gay explains alot. He denies his true sexuality because it goes completely against his beliefs, he uses his beliefs as an excuse not to get intimate with girls and his mind is totally screwed up because he is constantly fighting his true feelings for men! It makes sense.
Nobody was saying that just because a guy chooses not to have sex until married means he's gay... they were saying that this guy sounds like he could be suppressing some homosexual tendencies because it explains his behavior fairly well.
Bottom line.. move on lady because this guy is a better girlfriend then husband.
18Ha ha, E. Jean is so right, that is exactly what I was thinking
It's great that the qualities you like in this guy are honesty, his values, etc. But better to find another guy with those same qualities who isn't so confused about what he wants -- it's hard enough figuring out your own issues without letting someone else's take over your life. Plus, spending all that time with someone you're attracted to who doesn't feel/act the same towards you is just torturing yourself!
19Calm down! You guys are going a mile a minute. This guy has issues, though, no doubt. You barely know this guy and already sound like you want to marry him. Let him confront his issues, if he doesn't then bail. Next time, don't be so quick to jump in head first.
20He sounds conflicted and he definitely has been all over the map with you.
In circumstances like this, ignore what he says and pay attention to how he acts.
Don't settle for something you're not excited about, and it's okay to not be excited about someone who is having sex with you one minute and then pulling away the next!
21I have to say I agree with caterpillar girl onthis one. Everyone thinks this guy is gay but as someone who grew up in a Christian home this is something we are taught. You don't have sex before you are married and if you do slip up you repent and stop. It's not all that weird a concept. Sort of like if you stick your hand in a fire and get burned you did it but that doesn't mean you're going to do it again. I think it's natural that this guy doesn't want to get too affectionate because as someone who has tried to stop having sex after the fact, it's pretty tempting. you find your mind wandering enough as it is without "fooling around" Maybe he's trying to avoid temptation. As for being 34 and having been engaged twice; maybe the women he was with couldn't stand the no sex thing. Maybe he does have issues but just the facts presented by the OP don't send up any unavoidable get out now red flags. The only reason I think you should get out now is because this doesn't seem to be the kind of relationship you want. yous aid you aren't a Christian and he is and while you may respect his values at some point your paths are going cross and he's going to expect something from you or you're going to expect something from him that neither of you are willing to do. Just find someone nice to be with who is compatible with your ideals and values. He should do the same
22Oh also may I say it doesn't sound like he's been flip flopping to me. Sounds like he was headed down one road i.e. having sex and getting too physical for his tastes, and then he changed his mind and decided to go slower. More time went by and although he enjoys spending time with you and doesn't want to stop dating he feels like he isn't ready to make a big committment yet. Why is that confusing?
23So he was engaged before, I was engaged before I met my hubby at age 26 (and i was dumped because i wouldnt have sex), So what if this guy is 34? what does age have to do with it?
24he definitely has issues that shouldnt have been showing itself after only 2 months. and if he has such a big problem with religion he wouldn't have had sex first then felt weird about it after you had been sleeping together for awhile. MY GUESS IS HE IS GAY. he's not affectionate. he's had some broken engagements and a struggle with being physical and intimate with a woman after the fact, and religion wasn't an issue in the beginning and he's trying to use that as an excuse now.
I say you will only get in deeper with this guy if you choose to stay with him. you won't be happy without the affection and physical aspect of an adult relationship and it's something he has a problem with. you won't change him and i'm sure his ex fiancee's couldnt change him either.
get out there and find what you want. he clearly only wants a friend that will make him appear to have a girlfriend but doesnt want the physical relationship. definitely something going on there.
25and if he's so into being christian he will use that excuse because he will never come out and say he is gay.
and i disagree with caterpillar girl. i went to catholic school my whole life and a christian college and i know plenty of guys that did that. they would find a girl that they enjoyed spending time with so they would really try for the sake of their religion to make it work for them and after sleeping with her a few times they realize they just can't do it. I've even had a few friends say to their girlfriends it was because of their religion and they wanted to wait for marriage. That only worked for a little while until one reason or another it didn't work out.
I have the best gaydar ever. i have many gay friends and always have and i've seen this sooooo many times before until they eventually came out or started just seeing guys quietly because they knew their families wouldn't approve and they all started with similar issues such as this one.
26The people that have sex in a relationship, and then stop for "religious reasons" have always struck me as wishy-washy Christians you can't take seriously -- and then I'm always highly amused why they're dumbfounded as to how "hypocrite" became associated with "Christian".
Having sex and then not for God is bullsh*t. Either don't do it in the first place, or keep going once you've started. Don't pretend you can undo losing your virginity.
They've only been dating for 2 months, CLEARLY he didn't abide AT ALL to his "Christian values". He didn't even WAIT for christsakes! What god-fearing, waiting-til-marriage Christians can't even hold out 8 weeks for what they promised to wait their entire single lifetime for?
He doesn't strike me as gay, just as unreliable and unable to commit -- he can't commit to his faith, so it's no mystery why he can't commit to marriage either. Are you sure his past 2 engagements ended because of the girls??
27I wrote a whole entire post about being understanding and trying to give him a chance, that ended with: "so make sure you can live for a couple of years without getting any"
then I blinked, erased everything, and am replacing it with: you should f*cking run.
It's sad, but the reality is, you don't share his values, so unless you get married really quickly because you can't take the lack of sex anymore, you're in for YEARS of sexual frustration unsupported by a belief system that could help you hold off - but him being sweet and making you laugh will get old very fast if you ain't getting any.
28miss jules, what do you disagree with exactly? you were pretty vague
29Hit- Christians who say "i am sinning and need to stop" are different than christians who say "you are a sinner and need to stop" while they do exactly the opposite.
There are hypocrites everywhere, as for being "wishy washy" that comes with being human, its not just a "christian" attribute. I am wishy washy about alot of things, what to have for dinner, do i take a 2nd job, as well as the way I try to live my life according to Gods Will, I backslide, I question my decisions, its not a bad thing.
No one is saying they can "UNDO" thier virginity at all, no one.
We need to be more tolerable to others beliefs. cleary there are many on here who arent.
30Religion has nothing to do with it, I'm religious and believe in not being a skank but I don't act like this. He said you have the "qualities" he "would" want, not that you are the girl he actually wants, that's a big tip-off right there.
And just to give the benefit of the doubt: say he is having some sort of crisis of faith - is this really the time for him to be dating anyone??
31i think once you rang the bell recess has started. he sounds like he's stringing you along "you are great, but i must remain pure"
translation; i slept with you and now i am off to the next conquest. a sex free relationship could
work, it works between coworkers, roommates and you and your bff. are you looking for any of those? i don't think casual sex is a good idea, but i also think once you have sex with someone
there is no sense in being coy. you can do better than someone who can't make up his mind on what he wants. and a 34 year old man is having sex, maybe not with you, but he is having sex.
maybe with himself, another man, another woman, whatever.
32Religion aside, possibility of homosexuality aside...the OP flat out says she alternates between "crying" and being "angry" over the whole situation. It doesn't matter what his reasons are for the way he's acting. Honey, you're miserable in this relationship, and it's not healthy for you. That is certainly not a situation you want to stick out and see if it changes. Back out now and find someone who's more in tune with what you want out of a relationship.
33I dated a guy who freaked out after he were intimate for the first time. He was Catholic and very religious and I think that he really felt like he was doing something morally wrong. He wasn't very affectionate because he was afraid that it would lead further down that path. He also went to seminary school when he was younger which reinforced his premarital sex guilt. (Side note, some of my friends did think he was gay because of this and his dazzling fashion sense. Seriously, he was smoking hot and knew how to dress.) We broke up later for different reasons, he married the next girl he dated, a very nice and pretty Christian girl who shares his same values.
I don't believe that he was gay, I believe that he was very religious and we both took a chance dating each other knowing we weren't on the same page in terms of religious values. He was already SO ready to get married, hell, we even went shopping for houses together early on in the relationship because the man was wanting to start a family so badly. I think when you're that ready to get married, in part because of your religious views on premarital sex, waiting is not a big deal. It's really just another year in years of waiting.
But if you don't line up on this now, you'll have problems down the road. Find someone who is on your page so you don't have to constantly flip out.
34A relationship can work without sex. I see what caterpillar girl is saying, if you've had sex (by mistake or not) and he decides to wait before having sex again doesn't make him gay or not love you.
But in this particular situation I don't think this guys sees you as a girlfriend. He seems to be treating you like a live-in best girlfriend. I'd say dump this guy, I mean you've only been dating for 2 months. There's plenty of fish in the sea.
35EJean- I like the new photo!
As for this guy- even if he is not gay and truly following his Christian beliefs- you don't agree with those beliefs. You don't respect his reasons for why he does not want to have sex. Therefore you two are not compatible. Does it really matter if he is gay or not? If the tables were turned and this was a girl,I can't imagine people would be calling the girl "weird" and "has issues" or even a lesbian. They would probably be upset with the guy for not respecting the girl's values! No matter what this guy's problem is- let him go and find someone who fits your ideals.
36HiThatsMyBike wrote-
You made an interesting point. I don't have sex with a guy for at least a month (fooling around is another thing) out of principle. It's not a religion thing- it's the fact that I want some emotional attachment with sex and quite frankly, there's a lot of things to be caught out there. Though I'm not judging people who do otherwise.
If I can do this without any religious motivations, one would think he could wait. And it sounds like with two engagements, he's sexually experienced. Plus, from what the writer said, they had been having sex more than once that first month, and then he changed his mind. One time in the heat of passion is one thing- multiple times is another.
There's nothing wrong with having values. Picking and choosing when to stick to them is a problem. I don't care if he's pulling the religion card or not- there should be some sort of compromise. More snuggling and visible affection, making out and nothing more- they're adults, so if they promise to behave and not have sex, they should be able to stick to it. But it sounds as though he's unwilling to even entertain the notion. That to me is the biggest red flag of all.
37Here's the thing, to all of you who are crying "but he's just MORAL!": He is 34. He has had sex before. He has been ENGAGED before. He was having sex with this woman. Out of nowhere, he freaked out.
This is not a crisis of morality, this is a crisis of sexual orientation. Religious and moral views tend to rear their heads much earlier--as in, he wouldn't have started having sex with her in the first place, or he would have said, very shortly afterwards, that it was a mistake to have sex and he really believes that it's better to wait for marriage. Religious/moral views prompt a phone call, not a broken date.
38Issues!
39I dated a christian and we went without sex for 18 months. Then when we did have sex it was horrendously awful because he had no idea and no inclination to learn.
GET OUT NOW. You can't have a relationship with this man. The Bible says nothing about premarital sex and the idea behind the whole no sex before marriage is because you are SAVING YOURSELF for your future partner. He hasn't saved himself. The whole sex before marriage thing doesn't apply anymore because he's already had sex. He is not a virgin. He is not pure.
Oh, and he's very gay and very much in denial.
40the super christian flag waving person who said that we had no one to compare him to...yes we do, lots of 'conservative' politicians who are having gay sex in bathrooms and skirt chasing.
41besides the point, you HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE too- so don't get overly righteous on this whole issue. sex is a human desire that is natural and if she wants to bone and he DID bone but now no longer has the will to bone it doesn't mean she has to 'respect' anything except his contradictory selfish ass or as you would have said 'DROP' him- he isn't a man he's a wishwashy disgrace to men on earth- using religion as an excuse to f*ck with her head and put it in other guys butts.
omg nothing worse than a chastising christian poster.
42I think you just proved there is!
43that's definitely a complicated one. when i saw the title i was thinking that you were in relationship for a while and sex just wasn't as important anymore, but now that i know the context, i kind of see otherwise. i think that it's hard for people sometimes to put sex into perspective when they have one belief that's not necessarily the way that others live their lives. i think that you guys really need to figure our what you want from each other and see if you're willing to wait. i don't think that sex is the be all and end all of a relationship so maybe it wouldn't hurt just to wait for a bit if it matters that much...
44Wow, he is GAY, gay, gay, gay, gay!
He wants to stay with you without sex because having a girlfriend is a good cover for the fact that he is gay. If he was that concerned with no sex before marriage then he in fact would not have had sex with you or those other women.
He is gay. There is no doubt in my mind, I 100% agree with E.Jean and onesong.
Even if in fact he is not gay (which I seriously doubt), I don't think he is right for you because he is inconsistent. He has been engaged twice before and the women ended it both times? They obviously had a reason. Hello, holy red flags! Obviously, this man is not serious about his religious values (which I think sound like an excuse) or the concept of marriage in general. RUN!!!!!!
45P.S. Check for gay porn on his computer history, that is a sure sign because a straight man would never, EVER view gay porn.
Fluffy, the bible is clear about premarital sex, its called fornication.
Or did you think that all these churches were just pullin that "rule" out of thier arses?
46The argument for waiting for marriage is outdated. True, it was written in the bible, but you need to put that information into context with the time it was written. Certain things about the bible can remain a good message regardless of time, others are specific to when they were made, and need to be contextualized to better fit the population. The bible also says not to dance and to dress plainly, but we dont see people getting into a tizzy about those things, but they get awfully upset about sex. If you have sex, it doesnt matter. Its how you conduct yourself. Are you practicing safe measures? Are you being honest about who you are dealing with and how? That's the most important thing.
OP if your needs arent being met, just walk away. Its that simple.
47It is written in the St Paul's Letters to the Corinthians.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11: "Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God."(ASV)
I am quite aware of where it says "fornication". Are we supposed to take everything in the Bible literally? Sell our daughters for goats and the suchlike? Stone the heathens?
Not spill our seed?? Don't get me started on the arguement against
homosexuality (leviticus 18:22).
So yes, the arguement against sex before marriage is very outdated and focused around this one sentance which has been interpreted a million different ways depending on which denomination of christianity you happen to hail from.
I have known christians say that nothing beyond holding hands should be done and I've known others screw their brains out til marriage!
Go figure, the Bible is full of contradictions.
48I take the bible at its word, some things are literal some arent.
The bible, in my opinion, doesnt contradict. Christians might contradict themselves, buts thats another story.
For those who wish to argue about the terms, the rules in the bible many were written for that time its true, there were different living situations, ways of dress, but you must interpret those passages for modern times. It might seem humorous and funny but making fun of any religion is trodding on someones beliefs.
I believe one thing, you another. thats that.
49Sounds right about the gay thing. You should confront him and maybe the two of you could be friends since you have so much in common.
50Post New Comment
Please share your opinion with our community, but make sure it is on topic and follows our Community Rules. We moderate comments and prohibit personal attacks, threats, spam, lewd images, or the promotion of your personal website.