oh lord thats terrible. I get angry when anyone is compared to that monster. Its the last resort for people who have nothing intellegent to say

I agree, Caterpillar. Although, sadly, it is nothing new. I have seen conservatives compared to Hitler many times on this very site.

Disgusting, I don't like it when people compare Bush to Hitler, this is just as bad.

If they wanted to compare the euphoric crowds with another person, why not use Elvis? His crowds were very much like this. I agree that it is in bad taste to compare anyone the monster of the 30's

Wow...to that first article. What blatant ignorance.

McCain this morning was odd. What an odd think to say. Obviously this campaign is getting to him, and apparently his staffers too because they've been making gaffes left and right today. This morning a staffer said he invented the Blackberry, then I hear he invented WiFi too...and Fiorna goes on record saying Sarah can't run HP, and later she goes on about how McCain can't run it too. And hello, Fiorina, you didn't run HP well either.

Also, I thought Mika was a McCain supporter? I mean the way she gushes over Sarah Palin at times is uncomfortable, so for McCain to say that was just from left field.

I thought Al Gore invented the Blackberry and WiFi.

For the past year, I have had to be neutral on a political front. I now can have an opinion, but would rather approach the campaign without aligning my decisions with a particular party. Neutrality teaches you to approach politics from a different point of view, and I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this year's campaigning. The Hitler article is replete with generalities and innacuracies, and is a particularly disgusting accusation. I think the author should be ashamed.

I love Fiorina's remarks - they tell you everything you need to know about the thought process that gave us Palin.

Katrina, you seem very reasonable, so I urge you to remember that Townhall is not in any way representative of the McCain campaign or of many McCain supporters.

Sowell's article is disgusting.

"A human group transforms itself into a crowd when it suddenly responds to a suggestion rather than to reasoning, to an image rather than to an idea, to an affirmation rather than to proof, to the repetition of a phrase rather than to arguments, to prestige rather than to competence."

This could be said of the less informed supporters of both sides, who vote based on identity politics or other superficialities rather than on the issues. Sowell uses this quote to once again reinforce the tired attack on Obama as a mere crowd-pleasing celebrity with adoring fans rather than rational, intelligent supporters.

"With hindsight, we can look back on those people with pity, knowing now how many of them would be led to their deaths by the man they idolized. "

It's so ridiculously hypocritical of Sowell to say this, then, just a couple of paragraphs down, insist that Obama is the one practicing the politics of fear in order to distract from the issues.

I am so angry about this article right now.

No Al Gore invented the interweb (as BUSH would say it)

I watched a little of Morning Joe today (working from home but missed the McCain interview. But I did hear Mika discussing the McCain ads. She seemed a bit ticked off. Now I know why.

Nope. Al Gore invented the internet. But according to Douglas Holtz-Eakin this morning, McCain invented the Crackberry.

Thank you lilkimbo for pointing that out. I find that the extremists on both sides ruin the discussion and limit our ability for an accurate debate. Yes, an adversarial system is the key to our democracy, but disregarding the facts and unfair characteristics do nothing. Ha, I am way too idealistic to ever be a politician myself.

(CNN) UPDATE: Asked about the comment during an MSNBC interview, Fiorina replied: “Well, I don't think John McCain could run a major corporation, I don't think Barack Obama could run a major corporation, I don't think Joe Biden could run a major corporation.

"But, on the other hand, a major corporation is not the same as being the president or the vice president of the United States. It is a fallacy to suggest that the country is like a company. So, of course, to run a business, you have to have a lifetime of experience in business, but that's not what Sarah Palin, John McCain, Joe Biden, or Barack Obama are doing."

The response that was immediately circulated by Obama's campaign.

Listen: Obama spokesman Bill Burton on Fiorina's comment

“If John McCain’s top economic advisor doesn’t think he can run a corporation, how on Earth can he run the largest economy in the world in the midst of a financial crisis?" said Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor. "Apparently even the people who run his campaign agree that the economy is an issue John McCain doesn’t understand as well as he should."

oops, that should be characterizations.

Any time, Katrina. I completely agree with you and recognize that you obviously know that Town Hall isn't McCain's website or anything like that, but there's so much coming from both sides that it's easy to get confused sometimes.

Interestingly, Fiorina also said that Obama and Biden couldn't run a corporation, as dream pointed out. It clearly requires a different skill set.

I also find it interesting that every time there is something from a McCain advisor that could be somewhat controversial, that person is billed as his "top economic advisor." He must have a lot of top economic advisors!

Oh, and the Blackberry thing was obviously a joke, as pointed out by a McCain staffer hours after it was said.

The McCain camp is so full of jokes.

Adrenalen - I was thinking my plumber invented the crackberry.

Is your plumber John McCain too? I kid.

Obviously, this was a silly joke, but it did run comparisons to when Gore stated he invented the internet.

haha UD!

The McCain campaign is full of cynical jokes...however they only become "jokes" when someone actually presents the facts.

I think stephley had it right.

"I love Fiorina's remarks - they tell you everything you need to know about the thought process that gave us Palin."

I'm pretty sure no one would actually think that McCain invented the Blackberry. That one was a joke from the beginning.

I wonder if Fiorina knows what a competent President of the United States actually does and is responsible for. One would think from her comments that she might not.

Fiorna put her foot in her mouth. She tried to rectify it later by saying no one in the campaign had experience to run HP, but by then it was too late. Today was a really strange day for the McCain campaign. Not a lot of good today, and every misstep was pounced on by the MSM, bloggers and Obama campaign.

Good idea for a Halloween Costume, Plumber with crack

Lol. @ crack

you mean the McCain camp is full of jokers

Adrena -- so all in all a good day

Dayumn. Who peed in McCain's Cheerios this morning?

Tucker Bounds is a joke.

"Dayumn. Who peed in McCain's Cheerios this morning?"

That was funny.

What really stands out about Obama (for me) is he has a very youthful, dynamic synergy about him and a confident calmness that comes from being genuine and intelligent. I feel if he were elected President he would also feel an obligation and drive to show the American people that an afro-American can be a very effective president. When I look at McCain I see a man whose arrogance is so thick he looks like a wax figure. His energy permeates with deception and cynicism and his glassy eyes indicate high blood pressure. He is the type of person who would adopt a black woman before going on the campaign trail for the sake of appearance.

I am so tired of these articles that suggest Sen. Obama will be asleep at the wheel when it comes to dealing with Iran or any other hostile government. The Senator is well aware of the threat that is posed by Iran and weapons proliferation. I just find it funny how we're so concerned about Iran's weapons proliferation but on the other hand we're more inclined to give our own action in kind a free pass. Knowing full well the History has all to clearly illustrated the ignorance of our choice to do so. Senator Obama has said numerous times that an Iranian nuclear weapons program is unacceptable. However unlike the GOP and the McCain campaign strategists he refuses to use that point as a fear tactic to scare people into voting for him and I applaud him for that.

"Rhetoric seems to be his answer to everything. Obama calls for "aggressive" diplomacy and "tough" negotiations with Iran."

I don't think I fell off of the turnip truck yesterday but if you ask me the only alternative to aggressive diplomacy and tough negotiations if it is such a ridiculous notion as the article suggests is to simply come out with guns blazing and make preemptive military strikes whenever opportunity avails itself. Is this the kind of foreign policy Americans want to stand behind? I don't think so. I also don't think for a flippin minute that Sen. McCain thinks so either. In fact I guarantee the first thing Sen. McCain will engage in if elected President is "aggressive diplomacy" and "tough negotiations" hmm wait a minute I thought that was the wrong foot to start off on.

"These colorful adjectives may impress gullible voters but they are unlikely to impress fanatics who are willing to destroy themselves if they can destroy us in the process."

I am sorry to say that a fanatic is a fanatic. We can choose to perpetually answer fire with fire, but I'll repeat for good measure History is telling us time and time again wrong path people try again. There is no reason why we can not work diligently to protect and defend while being critical thinkers in defusing long standing aggressions that have haunted international relations for years and decades.

hypno!

"When I look at McCain I see a man whose arrogance is so thick he looks like a wax figure. His energy permeates with deception and cynicism and his glassy eyes indicate high blood pressure. He is the type of person who would adopt a black woman before going on the campaign trail for the sake of appearance."

McCain has this holier than thou attitude because he was a P.O.W. And I'm going to go crazy if one more McCain supporter says "There is only one candidate in this election that has actually fought for you." I have too much respect for McCain but a P.O.W doesn't make you a leader.

Jazz what do you think Bridget is for?

Thanks Jude, that stuff just makes me so mad. I agree with doing what ever it takes to prevent nuclear weapons from falling into the hands of terrorists and that includes a military strike as a final ultimatum. However, this notion that waving a gun in someones face is enough to keep them in line is ridiculous. If they are fanatics as we all know them to be they'll simply think their way around the gun and so we escalate to the next level and so on it never ends. We need someone who is smart enough not only to protect and defend but to negotiate actual peace and defuse aggression.

I'll agree wadewifey3 that the McCain campaign is full of themselves, but policy disagreements aside Sen. McCain the (person) not the campaign is IMO a very kind and humble man. I can not help but like the man. The machine/campaign however has a purpose and a function and that is to get Sen. McCain elected at all costs. It is imperfect and hypocritical but it is what it is until we collectively say enough!

wadewifey3 ~ exactly.

Honesty hypno, I think you have some very great points ~ and as always your kind and generous heart never fails.

"McCain has this holier than thou attitude because he was a P.O.W. And I'm going to go crazy if one more McCain supporter says "There is only one candidate in this election that has actually fought for you." I have too much respect for McCain but a P.O.W doesn't make you a leader."

I think Obama has this "I deserve this because of who I am." attitude that I find disgusting. He has no experience to speak of, but want us to look beyond that because he can speak very eloquently.

I also agree that being a POW alone doesn't make McCain qualified to be a President. It's the leadership qualities he showed while a POW (like refusing the offer for early release, just because he was the son of an Admiral, or the encouragement he gave to his fellow captured men) that make him Presidential.

That article about Obama is a piece of crap, and not even well written.

As for McCain calling the reporter an Obama supporter... She obviously was, or she would have said she wasn't. Although I guess it could be argued that she didn't say either way in the interest of remaining unbiased, which I do have to respect in a cable news reporter these days. I do still believe just based on how upset she was that she is indeed an Obama supporter.

I'm sorry, but I don't think spending too much time discussing the candidates' subjective personal characteristics--things like the attitudes people perceive them as giving off--is going to help the national debate. On either side. That's what's most irritating about the Sowell article.

We all need to move beyond judging personal, subjective characteristics, and focus on the candidates' platforms, policies, records, and what substantial improvements they can offer to our country.

And I'm telling this to myself as much as to anyone else here, because I also get caught up in the personal judgment thing sometimes. I just don't think it's productive, and all it does is make people angry.

Very good point Jude.

I thought since this thread was about making comparisons I would make a few of my own, but I agree there are certainly more persuasive platforms.

:amen: Jude! Here have a cocktail.

DAMN IT!

I'll have a few

I hear the rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain. That's just what I hear, I'm just sayin'.

I could've danced all night....