Liberty: Last night I saw Americans who have been hiding in the shadows of apathy or cynicism come out and get excited about the future of their country. Americans who showed that they can wait in a line for hours, just to participate in a celebration of their power to make a difference.
Barack Obama's speech stressed individual and mutual responsibility. He said Democratic leadership, and an Obama presidency, would not do everything for Americans. It would, though, help them accomplish the things they cannot do for themselves, like protect the country from national security threats in Afghanistan, and give those who do not have bootstraps a pair so they can pull themselves up into the promise of middle-class prosperity. And while he was at it, Obama fiercely made the case that John McCain has and will turn his back on America's urgent needs because he just doesn't get it.
Whenever a politician claims that government can make peoples' lives better, critics become skeptical. But last night I saw a candidate that will, and did, make a commitment to ordinary people. Who did the best he could to offer specifics, without falling prey to a typical Democratic weakness of ignoring an emotional argument. Democracy became an action verb, not something that the well-connected took care of for you.
To see Citizen's reaction and more pictures we took at the event, read more.
Citizen: At its heart, there wasn't so much about the speech that was innately objectionable, the broad strokes he painted are a fine landscape — but he doesn't speak to me. Whether a fundamental difference of political philosophy or a complete lack of chemistry with the man, as much as I enjoyed witnessing the spectacle, I was not moved by it. I was not inspired by the parade of done-wrong stories. When he said, "More of you have cars you can't afford to drive, credit card bills you can't afford to pay, and tuition that's beyond your reach. These challenges are not all of government's making." My head screamed, but does that mean they're for the government's fixing?
I'm all for roads and a smart, no-waste globally beneficially governmental structure (and let's get it right), but I sure as hell don't want to rely on that as my complete bedrock of security. With great reliance comes great power, and I don't want my government to have that power over me. My building blocks of support come from the ground up, not the top down. When things go wrong, I want solutions to come from self first, then family, then community, on up — the government would never be my first call. As Liberty and I hashed it out afterward, it's a different philosophy. If you have a safety net you're more likely to fall. It's just human nature. If someone will fix your problems for you, why wouldn't you let them? Though he said this: "Ours is a promise that says government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves," that was not the real message conveyed last night, at least not to me.
Then there was the event itself. I've loved this week — you don't have to support a candidate to support the effort of democracy. But last night's dressed-down, come as you are, jumbo-soda and plate-of-nachos stadium setting was disappointing. With the crowd doing the wave and the half time-style line up, I kept waiting for kickoff. Between the utter distraction and screaming every time a famous person appeared, for much of the event what was happening on stage was an after thought.
And on that stage? A veritable variety show. Sheryl Crow? Stevie Wonder? Where is the sense of decorum and humility and ceremony in the midst of a rock concert? There is a time and place for celebration, but this most serious and sterling of occasions isn't it. I'm here for the speeches, not the snacks; the weight of grave responsibility, not the wave; and the gracious dignity, not the grandstand.









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Hoooo boy I have a feeling this thread will be ugly. I agree with points in both of your pieces ladies.
1Let me get a drink right now.
2loved it. however I will never again be able to pretend that CNN is impartial, when the hosts started talking about how they "drank the kool-aid" - that was hilarious!
3"Then there was the event itself. I've loved this week — you don't have to support a candidate to support the effort of democracy. But last night's dressed-down, come as you are, jumbo-soda and plate-of-nachos stadium setting was disappointing. With the crowd doing the wave and the half time-style line up, I kept waiting for kickoff. Between the utter distraction and screaming every time a famous person appeared, for much of the event what was happening on stage was an after thought.
And on that stage? A veritable variety show. Sheryl Crow? Stevie Wonder? Where is the sense of decorum and humility and ceremony in the midst of a rock concert? There is a time and place for celebration, but this most serious and sterling of occasions isn't it. I'm here for the speeches, not the snacks; the weight of grave responsibility, not the wave; and the gracious dignity, not the grandstand."
I completely agree Citizen!!!
4I just don't see how we can stick with the old plan! McCain used to stand up for what he believed in, but as the campaign has progressed, he's fallen further in line with just one side. I hate the way our country is going. We've had 8 years of the same party. The republican party has had 8 years to show us what they can do. They led us into a dumb war that we had no business being in (We should have been totally committed to Afghanistan). And talk about Government being involved in our lives, can anyone say the Patriot Act! I could be arrested from my home, taken to jail and never be told what I was arrested for or what evidence they have on me.
5We need a change, so when Barack says that's what he's going to do, I'll place my bet on him, because the last 8 years have been disastrous. And no president is ever a sure thing it's always a roll of the dice as to whether they'll be successful or not.
What, so people are actually EXCITED about an election is a bad thing?? Why does it have to be so serious. (Look at Bush, he's our "comedian" president.) It's so thrilling to witness Obama's candidacy, and all the hope and optimism it brings to people. What's wrong with that? Obama's crowd is also generally younger so of course it'll be less serious and more excited. This is a HUGE historic moment we're being part of!
6I also wasn't moved by his speech but I agreed with most of what he was saying, especially about McCain being completely out of touch with American citizens. I don't see in McCain someone who will deliver anything other than what we have been getting for the past eight years. And I am ready to go in a very different direction, thank you very much.
7Last night when Obama said, "It's not about me", I almost choked on my kool-aid.
8I have to agree with Citizen here.
9
Piper! Exactly!
10See, roarman, there are quite a few of us who think Obama is out of touch, but again, that falls down party lines as well. This all does.
11This perspective sounds like it comes from someone who's always had a very fine pair of boots, if you ask me. The point that Obama is making - that appears to be thoroughly missed - is that not everyone has had the opportunity to develop "building blocks of support" from the ground up. This is not a candidate advocating the babysitting of the lazy or safety nets for all. In contrast, he's asking people to take responsibility for their lives, and their futures. Saying that it's human nature for people to fall because there is a safety net is both cynical and fairly narrow minded - but, typical Republican discourse. As for anyone who was not moved by Obama last night - you may want to look into that - seems to indicate a problem far bigger than who to vote for.
12Oh yeah, I loved the convention and the speech.
13I was crying and thinking about my grandparents and my mom, when Barack came out. My mom used to tell me stories of going down south to Mississippi and seeing the colored and white only signs. She said that my grandfathers whole demeaner would change, he would hold his head up high here in the north, but when he went down south he would drop his head and not look any white person in the eye. This is the most awesome thing in the world to me. This moment makes me proud to be a black american (and yes I have been proud before).
Wow Eppie, how open minded and liberal you must be.
14And curly, that is truly sad. My dad remembers walking home with the only black girl who went to his school in lubbock and getting teased mercilessly for it.
15Of course you can always make that argument that the conventions are only pomp and circumstance, but I very much enjoyed the DNC because, if only for a few days, it gives you the chance to believe that things will get better. It just really spoke to the idealist hiding inside my usual cynicism. Maybe I'm letting myself get too swept away in the idealism, but I grew up listening to my Dad talk about JFK and Camelot and the political atmosphere of the time and I've always longed for a candidate that I could get genuinely excited about. So maybe it's fluff and it's not real but last night I felt like I had something to believe in again.
16"This perspective sounds like it comes from someone who's always had a very fine pair of boots, if you ask me. The point that Obama is making - that appears to be thoroughly missed - is that not everyone has had the opportunity to develop "building blocks of support" from the ground up. This is not a candidate advocating the babysitting of the lazy or safety nets for all. In contrast, he's asking people to take responsibility for their lives, and their futures. Saying that it's human nature for people to fall because their is a safety net is both cynical and fairly narrow minded"
THANK YOU, SO RIGHT!!! My aunt was on welfare, as were my mom and my sister. Guess what they're teachers now. They were single moms who needed the help, and now they own their own homes and cars, ect... My sisters daughter was premature if she hadn't had the help from government, (in the form of health insurance) my niece would be dead now.
17It makes half the people feel that way. You have to remember, there is another half. Actually the greatest chunk of this country who are terrified by half of what was said at this convention. Not everyone thinks the same.
18Curly, you have every reason to be proud! I watched the speech last night mostly because I wanted to witness history. At one point the camera was on a couple, the woman was asian and the man was black. They were holding each other and crying. I'm sure they were feeling what you felt and that was a great thing to see. That was the most moving part of last night for me.
Obama's speech didn't move me. Sorry, Eppie. But the significance of last night did.
19Not everyone thinks, period.
20I'm with Curlywhirl this is an awesome time of change. I don't see how you can say Obama is out of touch. He figured out before anyone that there is a deep craving for change in this country and that's how he ended up the nominee instead of someone with experience who 'knew how the game was played' - everyone, including McCain, is following his lead.
He never said anything about government being anyone's complete bedrock of security, nor did he advocate coming into your home to hand you solutions before you have a chance to do anything for yourself. You wanted to hear liberal cliches and stereotypes, so you did. But they didn't come from Obama.
21Wow.
22Eppie, you are close minded. There are ways of helping people without a government bail out. Just because you disagree with those methods doesn't mean people who support them don't think.
I think Citizen is getting at the idea that if government doesn't let people face the consequences of their own actions, they are destined to repeat the same mistakes.
23How can people learn to be responsible if their government won't let them fail?
24How does someone who gets a diagnosis of MS out of no fault of her own pull herself up when her job gets shipped overseas, and she won't qualify for health insurance because she has a pre-existing condition?
25"The point that Obama is making - that appears to be thoroughly missed - is that not everyone has had the opportunity to develop "building blocks of support" from the ground up."
I agree. It's all fine and good to talk about personal responsibility, but not everyone has parents or people around them that impart the wisdom. If you want a society that stresses personal responsibility you must give people the tools to be personally responsible.
26Citizen, I think we'll agree to disagree. While I respect your opinion, I do not agree with you. Obama has brought HOPE, which is something that I have not felt in any other candidate expect Bill Clinton. I know you'll agree when I say that these past 8 years have been the WORST for our country and it's about time for a change.
I'm glad you enjoyed Denver, but do not complain about how the crowd celebrated democracy. The people in the stadium were celebrating their anticipation for change and I can't blame them for that. I was over the moon after hearing his speech. It made me a better person (I know, cliche), but it's true. I woke up today with a sense of liberation and hope; I can't explain it.
Surprisingly, I'm a republican but I am a Obama supporter. I don't mind that you didn't feel moved by his speech. But I wonder if he had said what YOU wanted to hear, would you then have been moved or felt a connection? Actually, what did you want to hear?
I still got nothing but love and repect for you Citizen, but I'm all for Liberty on this one!
27Um...the US has one of the highest (if not the highest) poverty rates for industrialized nations in the world - I'm pretty sure we have the "letting them fail" part down.
28im with u eppie
29If you're handing out welfare checks, you're not letting somebody fail.
30Thank you Citizen for throwing some reason into this discussion. The government SHOULD help it's people. It is not easy for everyone to rise up out of turmoil and poverty to make the American dream happen. What happened to having compassion for those less fortunate? Many I am scared for our country if this is the prevailing attitude.
31The way our current welfare system is set up, people aren't rising up from it. They aren't learning anything. Just getting paid. And which party keeps it that way?!?
32And eppie, everyone who thinks differently than you do doesn't think? How very liberal.
33Michelin, if you put up requirements for people to meet in order to get that welfare check (working a certain number of hours, etc.) isn't that better than just letting them keep getting lower and lower? As Liberty mentioned, things that are beyond anyone's control happen all the time. You don't think those people deserve a shot?
And how can you claim to live in a great society when that society just lets people fail? I'm not saying the answer is to give people money to keep them afloat, but there has to be a happy medium.
34okay. did you all miss the part of the speech where obama said we have to be independently responsible AND mutually responsible? he's not saying he wants to hold all of our hands and walk us through life. he's saying that for those of us who cannot do it on our own, he will do his best to make sure that if we work for it there will be choices available for us that don't always involve wading into debt.
i'm paying for college on my own. i'm nineteen years old and already in debt. i am not looking forward to graduating from college and entering onto a global market in which americans are looked down upon, and into an economy that is floundering, not "fundamentally strong." obama is at least planning on making things better, or trying to, not ignoring the problems like mccain is. how is this fundamentally strong? how is staying in iraq a good idea? one of my best friends in the world went to iraq the year after he graduated from high school, and he came home a wreck. the marines offered him a huge sum of money to go back for a job, and he said no - that speaks volumes about what the war is actually like. it disgusts me that this man thinks the war is a good idea and isn't even planning on leaving it.
also, when obama said that this isn't about him, it's true. from where he stands it has never been about him. obama isn't saying to vote for him because he's cool and hip and eloquent. he's saying to vote for him because he is the only one with the balls to change our country. WE are the ones who are making it about him. the media is. the republicans are. but not obama.
i'm voting for him because i have faith. faith that our country can be more than what it has become in the last eight years, faith that regardless of our differences we have the capacity to turn it around, and faith that this democratic ticket will give us the push we need in the right direction.
35A great society, to me, is one that allows people to fail or succeed based on their own actions. And be responsible for the results. If people refuse to take care of themselves, it is not the government's place to forcibly take my money so that they can be kept afloat.
36I wouldn't say how liberal GS because I don't want to be associated with that. Let's just say how stupid.
37Cool harm. Sorry!
38HF, I think you're right. I know a few "conservatives" who think if you disagree with them, you're an idiot. That's why I called her close-minded, instead
39There will always be people who abuse welfare and other so-called safety nets, and I agree that everything should be done to prevent that. But removing them is not the answer. So much more good is done than bad. Because what's at the alternative — create a great divide. Let people who are bestowed with all the tools to succeed, succeed, and leave those who aren't to struggle or give up. Those who work the hardest will always rise to the top, it's just that some people need help from the government when they don't have it from their family. And even then, they are still at a disadvantage but they at least have a chance to work hard and succeed.
40No prob
41Who said let's hand out welfare checks?
42Why is it if someone says "Let me help" some of you hear "GET OUT OF THE WAY, I'LL TAKE CARE OF THIS YOU GO BACK TO BED, HERE'S SOME CASH TO PUT UNDER YOUR PILLOW!"
Again steph, your mind reading ability must really be an asset.
43Social Darwinism is a great belief when you are brought up among privilege or when you have the right values instilled in you and nothing bad ever happens to you. It kind of sucks when you don't have the right background or you have bad luck.
44It's perfectly reasonable to pay people to have children they can't afford so that those children will be born into the very families from which "some people need help from the government."
I don't see what you people are talking about when you say safety nets encourage people to use them.
45Agreed Steph!!
46If you really want to succeed, you will find a way to do so. If people give up just because they weren't born wealthy, then I don't really care if they survive or not.
47Note, to my comment above, is also why I believe abortions are a-okay.
48Wow.
49michelin - you don't care if people survive or not? sometimes when you've been knocked down enough times you can't help but give up. and when it gets like that you NEED someone to help you and remind you that there are things worth fighting for. but you feel like these people don't even deserve to live?
what do you think this says about you as a person? are you a christian? jewish? islamic? how do you think god would feel about your decision to feel this way? or your mother? your grandmother? your children?
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