US troops deployed overseas give six times as much money to Barack Obama, compared to John McCain. The Center for Responsive Politics, which conducted the giving-analysis, also made conclusions about the military's overall contribution pattern:
Despite McCain's status as a decorated veteran and a historically Republican bent among the military, members of the armed services overall — whether stationed overseas or at home — are also favoring Obama with their campaign contributions in 2008, by a $55,000 margin. Although 59 percent of federal contributions by military personnel has gone to Republicans this cycle, of money from the military to the presumed presidential nominees, 57 percent has gone to Obama.
Some military personnel might give to the Republicans but not McCain. The totals only include donations over $200, since smaller contributions are not reported to the FEC. Thus, the study explains that "these figures are likely to disproportionately represent the mood of officers, who have more disposable income to spend on politics than do the lower ranks. But because young people tend to be more liberal than their elders, the total dollar figures could lean even more in Obama's favor."
This month, John McCain spoke to disabled veterans in Las Vegas. To see some video of the speech, and to find out how the vets received McCain, read more.
The audience of vets gave the presumptive Republican nominee only a halfhearted reception. After the event the local paper interviewed 14 veterans. Only one said he is a certain McCain supporter. What do you think is going on here? Will the vets come out to support McCain with votes, instead of money?
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Interesting.
1Why, that means that .0001% of the military favors Obama!
Landslide victory here we come!
I bet McCain is shaking in his boots....
"Shocking"? I think not.
2But I suppose it doesn't really matter anyways since we apparently are too inept to get decent ballots out to these people...
3There are two possible things that could be affecting this:
#1 McCain can't accept donations for the general election since he will be accepting public financing, but Obama can, so right away, each donor can give double the amount to Obama that he or she can to McCain.
#2 A lot of Republicans are giving directly to the party instead of McCain because they still want to help McCain and the Republicans out, but McCain wasn't necessarily their first choice.
I'm not saying that either or both of these things are definitely the reason that Obama has gotten more in donations from those serving overseas in the military, just throwing those two ideas out there as possibilities.
Also, just to clarify (I'm sure you know this, Liberty, but I thought it was worded a little confusingly, although it could just be me), donations under $200 are reported to to FEC with name and address, but employer and occupation are not necessary.
4I think you also have to account for the chance that since these men and women are overseas, their spouse is likely to be handling all the money and if their SPOUSE makes the donation, are they going to put the military as their employer? No.
Just another liklihood.
This kind of information really bugs me because it tells us nothing at all, its statistically too insignificant to even mention and only serves the purpose of partisanship.
5One more thing. It seems like the article analyzed whether someone was stationed overseas based on address. People stationed overseas could be using their home address in lieu of the address where they are stationed.
6This is media hype. There are more WWII to Vietnam Veterans to current Military to Guard members who are giving to John McCain. I know this to be true because my father is WWII Veteran and the treasurer of his State Republican Party.
Statistics is like a magicians magic hat . . . anyone can pull anything out of it by waving a magic wand.
Believe what you want, the truth will be told come 4 November.
7Thats a good point too kim! someone had their coffee today!
8Auntie, you're really not looking well this morning. I think you should take a break from your computer for a while.
In any case, I agree that people can generally find statistics to support what they want to believe.
I do think it's entirely possible though that some of these donators want to get home, and they think that Obama will be the one to get them there the fastest.
As a side note, I was kind of amused to hear McCain say he was honored beyond measure to be in the company of the men, and then references how he's one of them. Does that mean he's honored beyond measure to be in his own company? Hee hee.
9This could also mean the troops giving money to Obama support him on positions that are likely to directly affect their lives.
10Thanks, cab!
And I like your point about it being such a small percentage of the active military, as well.
11Thanks for the ominous message there, Auntie.
DUN DUN DUN!!
I do know quite a few people (mostly the bf's friends and one of my exes) who come back after doing a tour (or tours, as one of his friends is on his third...) and have completely altered their political affiliations. It happens...
12I don't think anyone is disputing that there are people in the military who support Obama, but a headline like "6 to 1" makes it sounds like a huge percentage when in reality, its extremely small and insignificant.
13I think we'd all be pretty pissed off if it was reported that a new medicine outperformed its competitors 6 times more but then it turned out that it was only effective in .0001% of cases.
14The headline is about financial donations, not overall support. The headline supports the story's numbers, doesn't interpret them.
15Which is why cabaker is interpreting them.
16Is it really true that only .0001% of our active troops are overseas? That's amazing. I really had no idea. (I'm not being sarcastic btw)
17I think she's saying that only .0001% of those in the military have donated at all. But I could be wrong.
18No I took that from the whole of active duty, my bad! I was remember when this info came out months ago, well, similir info that was based on the whole of the military not just the deployed troops and the number was close to .0001%
I beleive we have approx 150,000 troops deployed which would be a number of .0008%.
Why look at that, through simple math Obama's support has increased 8 fold today!
GET OUT THE HEADLINE!!!
19Oh ok. That surprises me less!
20And steph you are wrong about the headline not interpretting the numbers. The headline could just as easliy be that "Less than 1% of deployed troops support Obama" but its NOT. That in and of itself is an interpretation.
21The funny thing is, I don't think the story has anyone doing a victory dance. It's interesting, but whether it means anything significant remains to be seen.
22I agree, stephley--interesting, but it's not guaranteeing anything. At least, I don't think it does.
23Thats exactly what I mean, its too insignificant to be reported.
24The full article has some additional interesting stats, including the tally for contributions from all military personnel.
I, too, don't think it indicates that military personnel support Obama 6-1, or even 2-1.
I think that the numbers are just the numbers.
25In unrelated news, cabaker is going to make me put on some extra weight today by making me want a cupcake. Or three.
26I know seriously, who eats just ONE cupcake??? no one!
Sometimes I think my neighbors love me and hate me all at once because I love to bake but I cant eat it all myself, so I'm always giving them breads and cookies and cupcakes.
27When I see your avatar, a lot of the time I think about heading to Georgetown cupcake and gorging myself during my lunch, but I usually stop myself, mostly because I work through lunch, but still...
28Haha, cabaker, if you were *my* neighbor you'd always be welcome.
The best cupcakes in my city (IMO) are made at this, for lack of a better word, stoner-ish bakery. (Seriously, all the people who work there give off a stoner vibe and sometimes I wonder what they do to make the cupcakes taste so good...). I'm craving some now!
29The only good bakery here is only open on like the 3rd tuesday of the month when its a full moon and then for only an hour and a half.
So I've really honed my baking skills!
30See, Georgetown cupcake is amazing. I recommend it for all.
Although, I would stick with their basic flavors; I actually find them better than some of the more "innovative" ones. OK, I take that back, I would stick with basic and red velvet.
31Now I am looking at the website to see today's flavors and literally drooling. Cabaker and em, you are evil!
32I wish I would have known about that place when I lived in nova!
33They just opened Valentine's Day this year.
But, hopefully you will be back in the area some
day so you can go!
34Oh I'm sure I will be at some point!
And Kim, you need to go and get a chocolate hazelnut one, photograph it, eat it and report back to me!!!
35I will get on that...I am actually thinking about getting a dozen tonight after all of this talking about them. But even if I don't go tonight, I will definitely be going soon!
36well you could do what we did last week and get a dozen but split every one. we had 4 ladies, so we cut each into quaters so we had like a cupcake tasting every night for 3 or 4 days!
you could split them in half with your roomie!
37No way, Jose. I would eat them all myself in one night.
38Man, you don't know what your food talk does to me ladies!! I still can't eat anything. I have lost 21 lbs. since becoming pregnant from all the vomiting. They finally put me on a drug they give to chemo patients.
39I would really, really, with all of my heart...like to try a Cabaker cupcake. Or any baked good for that matter.
40Won't you be my neighbor Jill?
41There's a great bakery just down the street from my job. I've gained like 15lbs since I discovered it. Great frosting to cake ratio on the cupcakes. I hate it when frosting is just kinda smeared on.
GS, sorry to hear the pregnancy has been so rough on you physically. Hopefully the new meds will have you keeping food down so you and baby can be happy and healthy.
Back on to topic. I too know that numbers can be interpreted and manipulated to show whatever result you desire. And as lilkimbo points out, we don't know the statistics behind the statistics to know how accurate the numbers in this article are. It doesn't surprise me however, to find that some people in the military are contributing to Obama's campaign. Being in the military doesn't automatically mean one is conservative any more than being young would mean some one is liberal. I don't believe these numbers show an overwhelming amount of support from the military demographic.
42Thanks Kast!
43The numbers do show Obama support among military personnel interested enough in the election to donate.
44mccain has a dismal record when it comes to supporting the troops beyond paying lip service to the idea, he has horrific ratings from most veterans groups. plus i imagine that most troops do indeed want to come home, not sure why people are surprised to hear that those in the military would put their money behind obama.
45What's going on here is people want a leader with a new approach. Sen. Obama is a person that offers a different approach to the same old problems and what voters are beginning realize is if the same tried approach doesn't work why keep banging our heads against the wall.
Sen. McCain needs to open his vision to new ideas and stop riding on the coat tails of his past as entitlement to be the President of the United States.
46kastarte....I'd have to disagree with you. Being in the military usually does mean you tend to be republican and conservative. I know this because I was a democrat liberal and DEFINITELY in the minority. Of course change is in the air...so even that may be changing.
47>"Less than 1% of deployed troops support Obama"
But that would imply that 99% of deployed troops don't support Obama, and that's not the case.
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