Dear Sugar,
I have been with my fiance for five and a half years, and we have been engaged for two. Both of us come from very traditional southern families. Since I am black and he is white, they felt very uncomfortable about our relationship and pending marriage, so we decided to wait and let everything calm down before tying the knot. My cousin, who introduced me to my fiance, got engaged a year after me and has since stabbed me in the back. I have spent the last nine months helping her plan her wedding, and when we went home a few weeks ago, I found out that her fiance doesn't want my fiance invited to their wedding. She has let him stir up trouble by talking to other family members who had finally accepted my relationship. Her fiance lectured me about the history of white men and black women, and what made me so angry is that my cousin sat right there and agreed with him!
Despite the fact that we have just bought a house and are saving for our wedding next year, I put serious financial strain on us by helping her plan her wedding. I have shelled out well over $2,000, and my fiance even gave me an extra $1,000 to pay for the shower and bachelorette party. She's being a huge hypocrite because she has dated outside of her race too, but when we talked this week, she said she stands behind her fiancé 100 percent, and since it's his wedding too, he has a right to make choices on the guest list. That was the final straw for me. I have handed over all the plans for the bridal shower and bachelorette party to another bridesmaid and have let her know that I am not going to her wedding, which is in three months. Family members think I'm being extreme and have an obligation to go, but I just can't get past my anger toward her and the pain she's caused me. Do I have a right to be this upset, or am I really being to extreme? — Backstabbed Brandy
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Dear Backstabbed Brandy,
Since I don't know all the details here, the only advice I can offer you is to trust your instincts on this one. It's pretty clear that your cousin is rocking the boat — could it be because she wants to be the only one in the spotlight? Since you're engaged too, she might be feeling some sort of competition with you. Whatever her reasoning, I agree that there's no excuse for her to throw you under the bus, so to speak, in front of your family. It's very clear that you're in love and have a strong relationship to be able to overcome the stresses and pressure of your family, so try not to let your cousin's fiance make you feel any differently. Interracial dating means something different for everyone, but at the end of the day, if you love each other, that's honestly all that matters.
I'm all for putting family first, but sometimes you have to put yourself even before them. Since you're understandably angry with your cousin, I don't blame you for passing off your duties, but you might want to reconsider skipping out on her wedding. Since it's three weeks away, could you have a heart to heart with her and hash out your differences before the wedding day? I think if you were honest with her and make her understand how she's made you feel, perhaps you can put this behind you, or at least agree to disagree. Feeling backstabbed by anyone is a terrible feeling, so let her know that it's her lack of support that is hitting such a nerve with you. She obviously likes your fiance to some extent or else she wouldn't have set you up in the first place, so remember that sometimes brides become bridezillas, even if they can't see it, and perhaps time will just be what it takes to mend your hurt feelings. Good luck.
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Dear if the cousin wanted to be in the spotlight she would have made her husband-to-be buy her a bigger ring...not make racists comments!!!!!
Have you considered moving? oh wait...you just bought a house...I don't think you're being too extreme...not at all...sadly this might be a point of no return...where you "abandon" your family and create a new one with your fiance.
If my bf wasn't invited because of race...i wouldn't go to whoever's wedding...even if it was my own mother!
1It's all about respect, and she certainly hasn't earned it. AND she isn't respecting you either! I don't think you're being too extreme at all and think you are handling it very maturely. Stand by your fiance and your relationship, b/c if you waver then others will too and think that they are in the right. You have a long road ahead of you unfortunately but lean on each other for support and it will be best in the end.
2hey! she stood by her man 100% right? you stand by yours 100%.
3i know what its like to date outside the race. and my family was not sure at first but in the end, they saw how good he treated me and how much he loved me and knew that he would take care of me... and thats what mattered to THEM in the end. not the color of his skin.
im definitely with your on this one. good luck!
I'm sorry, DearSugar, I don't agree with your comment of going to the wedding anyways. Reading this post made my blood BOIL with anger!!!!!!! I would SO be borderline homicidal. YOU helped her so much (talking to OP). You helped her in every way, including FINANCIALLY, when you are trying to save for your won wedding as well. And, your fiance helped them out too, and this is how they treat him (and you???). WOW WOW WOW WOW. I am floored. I am normally a level headed reasonable person, but this is inexcusable on her part! And her fiance! I just.....ugh.........argh!!!!!! I'm so mad I'm lost for words.
HONEY, don't you go to her wedding! For that matter, I'd never talk to her again. At least not for a very long time. She should be so lucky as to have a relative like you. And marrying outside your race? I can't believe that it's still an issue these days for some. Love is love. PERIOD.
Wow. Anyways, i have to go now cool off. LOL. You sound like an awesome person, very sweet and kind. Don't let this bit** and her sidekick fiance affect your life any longer.
4I think youve made the correct choice. Your cousin and her fiance are racists. It will be unfair to your man to make him uncomfortable because of your families ingorance.
They are sticking to what they believe therefore you should stick to your beliefs. Your cousin is dead wrong for this and with time she will see it. Stand by your man and she is standing by hers and do not go to that wedding. She has not only disrespected you, being her cousin, but also your future husband. Those are a couple of people you dont want in your life or future family.
5I wouldn't even consider going to her wedding. I'm sorry that this happened to you.
6I would go to the wedding, proudly walk in with my fiance and show the entire family and everyone else that you are above all of the bickering.
7I understand the issues with race especially in the south. But "reverse racism" is no better. You are right not to go. I would send her (or whatever bridemaid) is taking over a bill for all the money you have shelled out. Put that $3000 towards a destination wedding where only the people who truly love you and accept your decisions can and will attend!
8i agree with the majority of posters here; do not go to that wedding! they obviously don't appreciate everything that both you and your fiance have done to help with the wedding/bachelorette party. and it's ridiculous that she'll let him give $1000 for her party, but won't invite him to her wedding?! that is so disrespectful, not to mention how unexcusable their racism is. like someone else said earlier, love is love, and they should want you to be happy too!
9I don't agree with the cousin's behavior, but it is their wedding, and they do have the right to decide who can and cannot come to their wedding. If they do not want your fiance to be there, then you should accept that. They (or at least the cousin's fiance) obviously has an issue with it.
How would you feel if your friend or family member wanted to bring someone to your wedding that you do not like and did not invite? You have a right to disagree with their decision, but it is their choice to make, not yours.
10@linb Are you serious?? They have a right to not invite people - but because he's white?????
Never in a million years would I go to that wedding. Nor would I ever speak with her again. DEFINITELY not being too dramatic.
11I would back out of the wedding, too. Sorry your cousin can't stand up for you.
Yeah, stand by your man, blah blah. But this is an issue of racism - there are principles that are more important than family.
12Send her the bill of $3,000. GET YOUR MONEY BACK!
13Well I agree with linb that they have the right to be obnoxious bigots at their own wedding if they want to, but you certainly don't have to get on the train.
I am 100% with you. You were even nice enough to hand over the duties to someone else and make sure your cousin was still covered when many of us would have just said a big hearty f*ck you and washed our hands of the whole thing. I wouldn't go to the wedding and I would steer clear of these family members in the future. If they have no problem trying to turn family members against your relationship, what will they say to and about the children you and your fiance will eventually have?
To your family members who think you are being too extreme, I think you should just make it clear to them that if your fiance or his family were being overtly racist to any of your family members that you wouldn't stand for it and you won't stand for the reverse.
14Ditto Jennifer! Well put. They CAN do whatever they want because it is their wedding, but you dont have to go along with it.
I think that going to the wedding is saying that what they think /said about your fiance is okay. In the end its you and him, not you and him and them.
Im sorry but they are on the wrong. I would never encourage that type of behavior by attending/ supporting their wedding.
15@daydreamer: I don't agree with it either, but it is their wedding. It is their decision.
16I feel terrible for you! I agree that you have been backstabbed in a major way. I would ask for a refund of my fiances money. His money is good enough for them, but he is not? What users. You don't need that. You seem very good hearted and kind. Don't back down from your beliefs and views on this situation...ever!!!
17WHAAAAT!!! so it's ok to be racist cause it's their wedding???? are you people on crack????
IS NOT OK! they don't want him there not because he gets drunk, or loud or eats all the food...they don't want him there because of his race...does that sound right to you people??? just cause is their wedding?????
Jesus! no wonder the world is sooo f*cked up!
18I do not think you are overreacting at all. I would not go to the wedding.
19You have a right to be upset and are not being extreme. Since you are in a long-term relationship the invite should be for you and your significant other. It is her and her fiance's right to invite whoever they want and since they don't want him there, you don't need to be present. It is sad that you have put so much effort towards her event and these feelings on mixed race relations are coming out now from her and her fiance. Her fiance had no right to lecture you on the "history" of white men and black women. I wish you and your fiance the best and at least now you can concentrate on your wedding.
20yeah, I agree with gossipqueen. Being the bride & groom's doesn't excuse their racist behavior. It's absolutely wrong for them not to invite the OP's fiance just because he's white. There is no way I would go to this wedding. I might try, as Dear suggested, to talk things out with her. However, this is not something that you can compromise on--either she agrees to invite your fiance/accept your relationship or you don't go. I don't see any other way.
21Are you sure there is nothing else going on here?
My opinion (if this is the full story) is that your cousin is racist, petty, and doesn't deserve to have you in her life. Excluding someone because they are a drunk or because they will cause a scene is one thing, but just because they are a different race? No.
You are right to back out of it. Going to the wedding implies that you support it and I doubt you support her marriage to a man who has excluded your husband-to-be based on skin color.
I think you need to look deeper though. It sound like there could be some other reasons here. There may not be, but this is all just a little much.
Also, consider carefully where you move (you said you just got a house). You may not want to live in a place like that where many people disapprove of your relationship. It will only make it that much harder, not to mention that people with morals like that are usually volatile and sometimes dangerous. (I only say this because I know interracial couples who were victims of violent crimes in the South.)
Good luck with everything!
22You're not overreacting at all. Stick by your fiance and don't let your family walk all over you about it.
23i think i worded that wrong gossip queen. i meant they dont have to invite him if they dont want because she really cant do anything about it..
24but no its not ok to be racist. i just said that going to the wedding will just make it seem like its ok to have that type of behaviour. and i definitely dont agree with that behavior as i too have been in a sort of the same situation.
what backstabbed brandy was asking is if her decision is extreme. and i dont think it is because her cousin is in the wrong
gossipqueen - I don't think you're comprehending some of the comments here. Saying they can be bigots at their own wedding if they want isn't condoning their behavior. I mean, I think everyone has made it pretty clear they think the behavior is disgusting and the poster shouldn't have to put up with it. All anybody is saying is they can do it. And they can. And they are.
25Backstabbed Brandy, I feel your pain! I married outside my race AND religion and know how stupid people can be, especially those we think will be most supportive of us (our families). Don't put yourself through any more of this - don't go to the wedding. And I am down with tomatoshirt - she owes you!
26I just wanted to add that I really admire that you're standing up for what you believe in and not letting your family and others make you question your relationship. I can only hope that at some point in the future no one will have to go through this!
27u made the mature and rational choice.
she is unappreciative and just plain rude. she has absolutely no class and has the audacity to defend herself and her man. shame on them.
u r not being extreme.
28I tried to put myself in the cousins shoes and justify why she should be able to tell you that your fiance can't come. But, try as I might, I can't defend what she did. Don't go to the wedding, and hold your head high.
29You are not overreacting. Send your cousin a bill for all the money you AND your fiance have shelled out for her. What she is doing is completely wrong.
30I think you are underreacting. They don't want your fiance now that they've cashed your check? Leave them. Divorce them all from your life.
31Wow. I think if I were in your situation, I would cut my losses, skip the wedding (telling my cousin WHY), and wish the bride and groom well. Then, when it was MY turn to get married, leave them off the invitation list.
I'm sorry you have to go through this. Good luck!
32Hello, I understand what you mean coming from a Southern family and their traditions (I can't really understand the racist behavior); nevertheless, you have to decide whether or not you want this negative behavior in your life. You met your match, you two have to be each other's back bone. Think about this: when you and your husband have children will they mistreat their own flesh and blood; b/c when you marry he will be their family and so will the kids from this production. I would give them a piece of mine, be very kind, smile, and have a small get together and set the family straight. I would decline to take part in her wedding, why should you - you need to stand behind your man (she is no matter how ignorant he is). Therefore, you must due the same. Do not allow them to make you disrespect your relationship or your SO. It is wrong for any type of racist behavior to take place, if anything think about your future children and living through a life of this constant words and fighting. I wish you luck!
33Do not reward bad behavior!
I'd never go in a million years. If your family sees her walking all over you then they will not respect your decision to be with your to-be husband. I don't agree with Dearsugar on this one, it is just too awful. I agree with bellaressa, stand by your man. Just imagine if it was the other way around. Heck no!
34And don't invite them to your wedding either!
35The sad thing about this situation is that this isn't just about your cousin's wedding, but the rest of your lives. Obviously she is marrying a very immature and hateful man, and I can't imagine that he'll embrace your fiance and treat him like a friend at holidays and other family events in the future events.
Obviously, don't go to their wedding. If I were you I'd even bypass the cousin and go to the fiance directly and let him know that, wedding or not, this man is a part of your life and he is not going away. It seems the situation has gone far past the point of politeness. Stand by your man 100%, and don't take any more sh*t from this racist freeloader.
Also, linb- I think the rules of etiquette state pretty clearly that if you accept large financial donations from a family member or friend toward your wedding, then you're quite obligated to invite them.
36I think you should not go to the wedding, and make it known why. Also, do not invite your cousin to your wedding, and think seriously about not inviting anyone else who defends her choice.
Or, if you're really brave, go to the wedding with your fiance. You'd probably owe him big time, though, for the unpleasantness which could likely transpire.
37Based on what you've said, you're completely 100% in the right!
38Sure, there are times when you should stick by your family, but your cousin is family NOT BY CHOICE. Your fiance will be your family BY CHOICE!
You should stick by him!!
I am so sorry that you are in this situation... it really sucks!
39So, let's get this straight, his money was good enough for them, but he's not?! I'd be demanding the $3,000 back, and if she refuses, small claims court. I wouldn't go to the wedding, and if the family agreed with her, they wouldn't be invited to mine. Family is often a big problem in new marriages, and it's often better to realize that you are creating your own family with someone who loves you for you, and of which you do the same. Wow, I can't believe she allowed you to shell out the money and effort to help her plan her wedding, when she probably knew your fiance wasn't going to be invited all along. She was stringing you along until the invites went out!
40I would be a whole lot worse to her than you. I'd make sure that your duties were "forgotten." I would not make sure someone would cover your part. If she can expect you to do all the planning for her bachelorette party, then not invite your fiance to the wedding (which thereby is the same as not inviting you), she should expect that bachelorette party is going to be a bust, cuz, oops, you forgot to pay the deposit!
41Brandy - you totally made the right decision by opting out of her wedding AND by being gracious about it (a LOT more than your cousin!) Your fiancee will soon be your immediate family. As I'm sure you already know you will often have to face other people's prejudice and hurtful actions. It is even worse when it comes from family. Unfortunately you have to be prepared to handle these situations head on and stand true and tall next to your soon to be husband. It will often feel like you two against the world. But you can do it! You already are! You showed them that it is their loss. I think it is good for you to be gracious but aloof and make it clear that you will not be attending any function or engaging in any relationship where your fiancee is not welcome. The family will come around or they won't - you have been more than patient and more than gentle. These issues will become even clearer when you have children and see the rejection and hurt through their eyes. Time to take care of yourself! yOu're doing a good job!
42Her and her fiance sound like terrible people. I am not really understanding what the history of black women and white men has to do with anything? I think you have made a wise decision. It is unfortunate that she used your money first though. I would tell the other family members exactly how hurt you are and why, and then tell them that you do not ever want to talk about this again. You have to surround yourself with people who are positive and supportive.
43First of all, I applaud you for sticking to your guns. Family pressure can be quite intimidating, because as much as you want to disagree with them, they are still your family. However, there are some things that are not acceptable, family or not. This is definitely one of them. If I were you, I would tell them all to go to hell, send them my bill for all of your financial contributions, and move on with my life. You don't need poisonous people like that in your life. Reciprocity is 99.9% of relationships, and your cousin and her fiance have no grasp on what that means. Cut your losses...you have you man.
44Everyone here had amazing advice. I am so angry on your behalf. Send your cousin this letter:
Dear cousin, I am very sorry that you do not respect the relationship I have with my beloved fiance. I am also surprised to learn you are against him for his race because you were the one to introduce us. I will always be thankful for your introducing me to a man that loves and respects me. He is so amazing that even though he is not welcome to the wedding, he has provided me with the financial support I required to help you with your wedding. As we are family, I will consider the $3000 I spent on you a generous gift towards your wedding. Please have a wonderful wedding without us and know that if you ever change your mind and wish to be in our lives, we will be here. All the best, Brandy
And for your family -tell them a variation of the letter as why you will not be attending the wedding. Let them know that if they really cared about you, they would respect your decision just as YOU have respected HER wish to not bring him to the wedding and YOU have helped HER with her wedding at your own expense. I would cut them out of my lives if they did not agree with that.
45U made the right choice. I would never want to through or be part of a wedding for someone who is not cool with the person I love and turned her back on me when she was the one who introduced U two in the first place. She is not a true friend or family member and you don't need that kind of negative in your life.
I am in a situation like yours. I am black and my soon-to-be hubby is white. My dads side of the family is very not open-minded to the idea while no one else cares. Good luck with yours b/c I am still have trouble with my problem .
46@avettafawna: They are refusing to invite someone because of his race. I don't think they give a s*** about etiquette.
47Don't go to the wedding, and get your fiance's money back. WOW, what racists! How dare they accept your's and his money, then badmouth him like that?? That's despicable!! I'm sorry you had to be in that situation...Not having your family accept the man you love because of race is truly heart-breaking. I suggest you move on and realize that their set of mind is wrong, and they are the ones being intolerant.
48Girl you are not overreacting whatsoever! No offense, but your family sounds like a bunch of jerks! If your cousin and her fiance don't want your man to come to their wedding, then fine. Who wants to go to a wedding with a bunch of racists anyway. Also, if I were you, I wouldn't have postponed my own wedding. I would tell my parents that this is the man I love, if you don't accept him because of his SKIN COLOR then you don't accept me! Have your wedding without them if they're so against it.
49you are not in the wrong.
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