Feeling lonely, Europe? Two European nations are tackling the problem of declining populations very differently. In France, they now have the second highest birth rate in Europe (after Ireland) and some argue that tempting government subsidies may have helped. France offers generous maternity and paternity packages allowing a mother of a third kiddie to take a year off of work, with pay. Not to mention the perks of subsidized first class rail travel, holiday vouchers and financial help with childcare should you wish to turn down free state care facilities. It is estimated that the government supported baby boom has secured France’s population until 2050. To see what's happening in Spain, and even more creative Singapore, read more.
In Spain, where the government is not interested in funding their birth rate (spending 0.7% on family subsidies – the lowest in Europe) they are turning to another form of population growth: immigration. In 2005, the socialist government introduced an amnesty for illegal immigrants so long as they could prove their participation in the national workforce for two years. Some 700,000 migrants were immediately made Spanish citizens, which both bolstered their population and helped create one of the continent's most flourishing economies.
Maybe France and Spain should take a fun lesson from Singapore. Their government sponsors a class taught at the college level called “Love Relations for Life: A Journey of Romance, Love and Sexuality.” The aim is to get smart citizens to meet, mate, and multiply — giving the population a state-sponsored semi-educational match.com-style boost.
Which method of population enhancement do you prefer? Is the world hurting for more people? Do governments need to pad their enrollments like this?









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France is still a bit behind in comparison to Nordic countries. Here in Finland we get 3 years maternity leave for each birth, plus loads of other benefits.
1Well that is nice of them to force companies to give a year of maternity leave.
2haha Cine!
I wonder why these people are choosing not to have children in the first place!
3I hardly think the answer to that question is "because there aren't enough government subsidies"
4Well cabaker, I know that is why I don't have children yet.
5France is unique in their population after having almost an entire male generation wiped out in WWII (the lost generation). I'm wondering if the effects of that are still lingering today and are the reason why these "population controls" are put in place.
6Well it's not exactly cheap to live in Europe, and it's pretty crowded. So I would assume that has something to do with it too.
7it reminds me of that movie, I think it was National Lampoons, where they go to Europe and someone is like "Even the kids speak French here!"
8European Vacation is on my top 10 favorite movies ever!
When we got back from Europe, I made a video of our pictures and put them to the song Holiday Road in honor of that movie!!
9I am about to take a European Road trip with my friend's family. All i know is we're starting in Germany, and will somehow end up in Switzerland and Italy. I barely know these people either, so it'll be interesting! That would be SO funny to make a slideshow with that music!
10yall are making me jealous
11yeah i'm totally moving to France!
Childcare is EXTREMELY expensive in this country - my sister has two kids and it costs her about $400/week for childcare. It's absolutely nuts!
Cine and Cabaker, i'm sure you guys don't like the idea of government-sponsored nannies and child care subsidies and maternity leave, but that sounds pretty sweet to me! that's not just helping with the basics, but its providing its citizenry with an excellent quality of life.
12so Conservative Sugars, you really wouldn't be down with having all that support in France???? c'mon now...not even a little bit?
13I LOVE European Vacation! Definitely one of my top ten.
Sy, I read once that people of French descent are actually shorter then their ancestors because of Napoleon picking the tallest men to fight in his army.
14twinkle: three years?!? that's awesome! what do we get here in the US? 5 months?? 2? i don't have kids so i wouldn't know off hand, but i'm guessing it depends on the company you work for.
just out of curiosity, are a lot of kids in finland on medications like ritalin? i wouldn't be surprised if there is a correlation between "behavioral problems" and kids being yanked away from their parents at such a young age here so moms and dads can get back to work (well, aside from the obvious correlation between pharma companies being able to market themselves directly to consumers here AND the fact that they harass US doctors on a daily basis).
15Well I am definitely planning to send you pictures, Sy! It will be mountains galore.
16Nicachica, I have to say if I had to pay the high price of living over there, I'd take it! I would take it here too, trust me. So although I wouldn't vote it into law, I definitely wouldn't curse and rip up the check.
17Nica, it is not as though they are free services. It is all paid through taxes.
You should also look at the unemployment rate in France. You would be lucky to find a job because of the restrictions the country has on companies.
18Cine, that's a good point about unemployment. Germany also has a very high unemployment rate, from what I hear.
19yesteryear the reason so many kids are on ritalin is because so many parents don't want to actually have to parent or spend time with their kids. it has nothing to do with daycare.
pharma companies marketing themselves directly to consumers has nothing to do with it either, consumer ignorance has everything to do with it.
kris - make sure you get a GPS. when my hubby and i went to europe in the fall we didn't get a car with a GPS (we rented in germany and went to prague and you can't get take a nice car to prague, they won't let you) and we relied on maps, HUGE mistake. HUGE!!! get a GPS!! you won't be sorry!
20"i wouldn't be surprised if there is a correlation between "behavioral problems" and kids being yanked away from their parents at such a young age here so moms and dads can get back to work"
It is your choice to have children. If you don't want to work and have your kids "yanked" away from you, then save up to have the children. I should not have to pay for others to have children.
21"I have to say if I had to pay the high price of living over there, I'd take it! I would take it here too, trust me. So although I wouldn't vote it into law, I definitely wouldn't curse and rip up the check."
Barry would not be happy with this comment Kris.
22On a side note, and I am sure someone will respond with the opposite, every person I know who has come here from France, is a Republican.
23oh cabaker, I am with you on that! My friend has one in her car over there and I can't imagine the tragedy that would befall us without our English speaking robot lady.
24Yesteryear - I have not heard of children being put on Ritalin where we live. I suppose it's possible some are though.
25Cine, I said I wouldn't vote it into law myself. What would you want me to do with it? rip it up?
I could do something frugal with it, like put it in my child's college fund.
26of course i know that they're paid through taxes but it's not like i don't already give a third of my paycheck to taxes already and i don't get crazy benefits like that!
what's the tax rate in France now...48%? of course that's incredibly high but you get a lot of returns that you can actually use so i think it's a fair trade-off.
also, aren't many of the unemployed in France immigrants from former French colonial states? of course they need to work on that. France is no more perfect than the United States. Every country has its own issues and problems but i think i'd prefer putting my hard earned money into taxes and receiving tangible everyday benefits than a one-off $600 as a "stimulus" (which by the way, will be going to pay credit card bills, not more purchasing!).
27Nica, here is a little bit of the taxes in France, in case you are interested. I am not posting the link because I don't want to get flagged. If you want it PM me and I will send it your way.
France is anything but a tax haven, having some of the highest tax rates in Europe. The tax system is also somewhat different than in the States, you file an income tax return and then see if you have to pay. The below list is not exhaustive, you might run into other local taxes, but this should give you an idea of the different taxes that a French resident must pay.
Sales Tax - French sales tax or the TVA (taxe sur la valeur ajoutée) is 19.6%. Sales tax in France is figured the price of a product. If you see something marked at 10 euros, than that is what you will pay, not 10 euros plus 19.6%.
Television Tax - Every owner of a television in France must pay a yearly tax (redevance audio-visuelle), this last year it was around 115 euros. The money this tax rises is used in part to fund the four public television channels, France2, France3, France5 and Arté
Habitation Tax - Each housing unit in France must pay a habitation tax (taxe d'habitation). It dose not matter if you own the property or not, if you live in it you pay the tax. This tax is calculated locally by a land registrar and commission, it dose not have much relation to rent but to size, location and family situation.
Property Tax - All property owners in France must pay a yearly property tax (taxe foncière). This is much like property taxes in the states as the tax amount is calculated as a percentage of the value of the property.
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29haha...at least Kris agrees with me!!!
30Cabaker, is there something on your mind? You know that's why I sent you the champagne the other day.
31Sometimes I want to see if we can have full conversations in nothing but emoticons!
32And I lovvveeee champagne!!!
33You're just subsidizing me with champagne so we breed more conservatives.
34Well we agree on one thing Nica, we pay way too much in taxes in this country for a whole lot of nothing.
The unemployment in France is actually because much of the Youth is unemployed because a company in France has a very difficult time ever firing an employee. They can take months off because they just don't feel right, and the company cannot let them go. It is ridiculous the restrictions they put on companies in France.
As for paying off your credit card, that is a good thing. It will pay off in the long run. You will have room to buy more stuff eventually.
35That would be fun to talk in just emoticons!
36Is that a threesome? Which one got knocked up?
37Cine, you'll never convert me!
but yes, that is a lot of taxes. and yes, i still wouldn't mind paying it.
Cabaker, that little "story" is totally
38And Kris, the correct response would be. "I will fight till the death against socialism!"
39a threesome emoticon party :an egyptian:
40nica, it will happen. Oh yes, it will happen. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
That is my evil laugh.
41ohhhh...can we do emoticon-speak?
42Cabaker, they didn't sell naughty gifts in the Sugar Store, so that's why i got you champagne. Probably just as well I didn't completely ruin our frienship.
43No no, the nerdgirl gets pretty as she drinks more and he drinks more... then she gets knocked up!
44this will be me with my $600 check
45And when you are paying that much in taxes, it is the same as paying the regular amount for daycare. I would rather have the choice of who takes care of my child. ANd if I want to be a stay at home mom, I should not have to pay for anyones childs daycare. Or what if I choose not to have children. Is it right that I should pay for others?
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48no, cine, you shouldn't have to pay for others child care. and one thought that did cross my mind is how safe government day care would be. not sure I'd trust it all the way!
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