I'm not at all suprised. I figured she'd get Pennsylvania.

Keep fighting Hillary!

I will be interested to see how their message changes when they get to NC... We have a ton of military bases, so I'm wondering if that will make them talk about Iraq more... who knows!

Yay for Harmony!

Yuck! I am just so sick of this race already! Will they flip a coin already...

I honestly believe McCain will beat both of them at this point, they are in the land of no recovery, they can't fix all of this by November.

Had the canidate been decided back in December or Super Tuesday, or even after Obama got on that huge roll they would have a chance to ride that positive wave to the finish and fight off Republican abuse as a united party. But now, I think their chances are slim to none, so I don't see why the millions of dollars going into these primaries even matter.

......cue Areosmith's "Jaded"

Thanks Cabaker!

Ok so now we go on to May 6, and then what? Are we STILL waiting for someone to drop out? Cuz I just don't see that happening!

I live in PA and I'm shocked! Everyone that I spoke to or that I had heard people speak of was all for Obama! I'm quite sad at the moment...

I agree Zeze, I'm getting nomination fatigue, however, the race has solidified why I'd never vote for Clinton regardless.

Looks like we'll just have to wait 'til NC.

Lula, do you think you will change your mind after the disappointment in Obama losing wears off? That is if he loses... Would you just not vote?

Actually, no, because I'm not a Democrat.

I don't really agree with Hillary's politics nor her methods and now that I'm older and I can look at the Clinton administration objectively, there are a lot of reasons I really don't care for the Clintons, solely based on politics.

I was actually a Clinton supporter when the race started, but I don't ever go into the voting booth uninformed. What I discovered subsequently is what made me change my mind.

I think we are in for the duration cabaker. I think that we are probably going to go to convention. Hillary has strong support in Indiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia. And you know she'll keep fighting in the other states.

So lula, are you reg. independent? Or do you live in a state where you don't have to choose? Would you ever consider voting for McCain, or is it Obama or nothing?

Just wondering!

I don't like Clinton in terms of her persona, at all....

That being said, her and Obama's plans are 95% the same, the only difference is the outside presentation for the most part.

So, even though I support Obama I would vote Clinton, mostly b/c I like McCain's ideas and policies A LOT LESS than Clintons.

I think you should think hard about that Lula, because if you are voting for the policies then the differences between Obama and Clinton are negligible compared to the differences between him and McCain.

Harmony don't you feel just a teensy bit guilty about the Clinton political machine??

NOPE. Don't be fooled cabaker Obama's campaign is a political machine too. People are convinced for some reason that hers is the only campaign throwing punches. This is a race for the highest office in the country. They have to point out each other's weaknesses.

Yes, the state I live in has an open primary.

I considered all the candidates, including McCain, however there are just huge areas we don't agree, the biggest being the war in Iraq, so for that reason I ruled him out.

I looked at Ron Paul, and there are certain things I really agree with, however, the libertarian philosophy doesn't jive well with me. I'm more of a progressive at heart.

Ironically, I couldn't stand Obama.

I talked all kind of trash about him, which I shouldn't of because I refused to learn anything about him (pathetic, hypocritical, I know, but hey I'm human!) and at first, when Clinton started to turn me off, I looked at Edwards and then it became obvious he would never be the front runner, so I reluctantly looked at Obama.

It was through research I came to learn how much I agree with him and align with his politics. It took some time to win me over though.

Cabaker, I'm interested to see how the Dems play NC too. My husband is NC Guard and the entire brigade is slated to return to Iraq Feb 09. If a Dem is in the White House, especially the one that says he'll start withdrawing troops immediately, I'm wondering if that will still happen. Personally I'm voting for McCain, the one who I know has the military's best interest at heart and who doesn't mouth off dangerous campaign promises - like withdrawing troops immediately - just to get votes.

The machine doesn't bother me. Of course they are all playing politics, it's the Clinton legacy and this woman's lying that gets to me.

"Personally I'm voting for McCain, the one who I know has the military's best interest at heart and who doesn't mouth off dangerous campaign promises - like withdrawing troops immediately - just to get votes."

Could not possibly agree more.

Thats interesting Lula! Thanks for sharing... I'm always interested to hear how people pick their candidate...

"Personally I'm voting for McCain, the one who I know has the military's best interest at heart and who doesn't mouth off dangerous campaign promises - like withdrawing troops immediately - just to get votes."

I'm not sure that's a fair statement, a lot of people want to withdraw the troops and hand over power to the Iraqis already and the Democrats are more likely to do that, seeing that Republicans want to remain in Iraq an indefinite period at this point.

I think it's a fair promise.

The health care one, now that is a bogus promise though.

"Personally I'm voting for McCain, the one who I know has the military's best interest at heart and who doesn't mouth off dangerous campaign promises - like withdrawing troops immediately - just to get votes."

I'm not sure that's a fair statement, a lot of people want to withdraw the troops and hand over power to the Iraqis already and the Democrats are more likely to do that, seeing that Republicans want to remain in Iraq an indefinite period at this point.

I think it's a fair promise.

The health care one, now that is a bogus promise though.

To me it's a fair statement, Zeze, because none of these candidates (McCain included) is privy to the intel that would constitute making such a statement. I understand he has now said that he would withdraw troops beginning nine months into his presidency but the argument still stands. If you run on that platform then you best better back it up. But Barrack has nothing to back it up with because you can't make a statement like that until you have all the facts. Otherwise you're just lying to get votes.

I'm not surprised, not happy. I won't vote before I'd cast a vote for Clinton.

Well my reasoning is that he is running on the fact that he is the candidate most likely to withdraw troops if it is at all possible.

The promise shows his interest is in bring troops back because he feels Iraq is a waste of time and money that we could be using to better our economy and our security against other places. (this is his staple)

I guess when he says "promise to bring troops home" that is the statement I understand. I think it should be known that none of these positions are a guarantee, but it is a promise to use best efforts for this purpose and he believes at his current position he can deliver.

While McCain on the other hand does not make these promises, or makes them with a lot less enthusiasm, which to me says he will not pursue this interest with the best efforts and doesn't believe he will deliver.

This is why I think the health care promise is only for votes, both parties already know it will be almost impossible to get the health coverage they are promising with this state of the economy and with the large groups opposing it. They make this promise without the intention to use full effort to follow through and don't think it is likely.

So, I guess it depends on whether you take these promises as absolute guarantees or not, for me, I always look at these promises realistically and look to the message the promise is conveying.

Sorry, to clarify, by "both parties" on the health care example, the parties I am referring to are Clinton and Obama, not republicans and Democrats.

I see your point. Obama was specifically asked when would he start withdrawing troops and he said immediately. So as a wife of a "citizen soldier" it just kind of grated on my nerves that he would make a statement like that without knowing a whole heck of a lot conclusively about what is going on over there. I would have had much more respect for him if he would have said that the plan is to come up with an exit strategy that would benefit not just the troops but the Iraqis as well. I even respect Hillary's statements on an Iraq withdrawal a lot more than Barack's and I absolutely positively can't stand the woman.

I'm disappointed this race for the democratic nomination has divided the democrats so much. I understand having such strong hopes for your candidate of choice that you are disheartened at every negative comment thrown at him/her by the opposition. I too have had my moments where I think I will not vote for Hilary because of the way she has conducted herself. But then I realize I'm not just voting for myself, but for America and the rest of the world. This country needs change, and no matter what, I will be voting for either Obama or Hilary because I don't want to see someone like McCain in the White House. I only wish other would follow suit instead of being sucked into this negative campaigning.

Piper I totally agree with you. I don't think politicians who make the promise to bring the troops home within a specific timeframe are privvy to the facts just like you say. Also I don't think they understand the weight that promise holds to those with spouses serving in Iraq currently.

So really I'm just against empty promises that prey on young spouses...

Boooo! I voted for Obama, almost everyone I know voted for him ( live in Pittsburgh). I'm just really mad because in four years if Clinton has been elected everyone will be complaining about how nothing has changed. Well that's what you get when you vote for a dynasty.

Aaaah! I'm sorry to Clinton fans, I'm not hating, my beloved Mom is one and I was one briefly. I just get really mad living in a state that was revolutionary at the beginning of our country's history and now is old and stagnant.

I was really hoping that "change" would occur in PA.

Oh well.

Anybody watching Obama speak? What's up with the Abercrombie and Fitch?!!!!

It has to be on purpose, right? Trying to appeal to Indiana voters? Does everyone in Indiana wear Abercrombie?

The shirt on the left looks like a poster!

We can bring the troops home tomorrow if we wanted to. Does anyone really still believe that 140,000 troops make a difference in a nation of 40 million? The humanitarian disaster promised if we pull out is scam. The reason we're there still is so that we can make sure the oil goes to private companies. So, you're spending 10 billion a month in tax dollars to subsidize private oil companies. Remember that when you fill up next time.

Yes, go Hillary!! The People of Pennsylvania are sending a message that experience counts.

Hillary doesn't have experience, that's a bogus assertion discredited by her own documents.

When she says experience she means Bill will be in the White House with her to back her up.

As far as troop withdraw, I'm voting for Obama because I don't agree with an immediate pull out and I don't think 9 months isn't immediate.

Boo. Not surprised, though. In any case, he still leads in delegate count, popular vote, and most states won.

Wooohoo!! I'm one happy Pennsylvanian!

Love Clinton, I want her to win this election. She is the change this country neeeds.

Love Obama, I want him to win this election. He is the change this country needs.

I have to say I wanted this turnout, only because Indiana has NEVER been important in any presidential election, primary or general. I want the chance to vote for Obama and know that it actually means something! May 6 is definitely more important in IN than November I think. But I'll feel like a moron if I wanted this turnout and Hillary somehow gets the nod.

I'm not surprised... but I am really getting election burnout, because it doesn't feel like anything is happening really, nothing is being decided. The fact that all of these primaries are chronological makes it feel like there are ups and downs and new things are happening, but so many of these states are going the way we thought they would, superdelegates will be making the decision... it isn't really anything new.

I'm interested to see who the party nominates, because I live in Az and the buzz around me is interesting. Dems aren't the majority of the people, and a lot of people are independent. I like to say I'm voting Obama, and will have a choice to make if it is Clinton/McCain. A lot of my coworkers are McCain if it is against Clinton, but will have a choice to make if it is McCain/Obama.

Either way - I'm ready for a real decision!

I agree with you about the election burnout, megmccoy. And I do hope it doesn't affect Dem turnout in the GE, no matter who the nominee ends up being.

"Love Obama, I want him to win this election. He is the change this country needs."

LOLZ indie

"But Barrack has nothing to back it up with because you can't make a statement like that until you have all the facts"

Heads Up!!

Obama has said repeatedly that he would like to start with drawing troops, however, he has said many, many times that the conditions on the ground at the time he would take office would effect his policies. He is not so politically motivated that he would harm soldiers and the country by making military plans 18 months in advance, and not deviating from them if the situation warrants it. As new information comes in, as things change, plans should change. Bush has failed us for so long because he doesn't change.

That being said, it has been shown and stated by our own allies in Iraq that it would help matters to withdraw troops. Even Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said that he disagrees with General Petraeus's plan to "pause" withdrawing troops. Obama also has many military advisors...it isn't like he is making his plans with no information. Admirals and generals from the United States Army, Navy and Air Force that together have served under the last nine Commanders-in-Chief have endorsed Obama. Even General Casey has testified that what Obama has said is accurate!

It just needs to be recognized that Obama does have plenty to stand on when it comes to his position on the war.

I think it's unfortunate that he has been so tarred by the "inexperience" and "all rhetoric" brushes. Thanks, Jillness, for being one of the voices that consistently fights to show the truth about him

To tag onto Jude C's praise of Jillness, thanks also for representing Obama supporters in a good light as someone who is making an informed decision and not led simply hope and empty promises, blindly worshiping a cute guy. I start to yell in my head, and then there is always a nice and calm response from Jillness smoothing things out before I finish. It helps my stress levels.

One more thing, when Obama said he would start pulling troops out right away, he was saying very slowly. If you actually look at his plans, he is looking at 2 brigades per month. That is not very much, and would continue over 18 months. He never said he would bring home all troops immediately.

Hillary's "experience" has been greatly misinterpreted. I would vote for her against McCain because I am closer policy wise to her than McCain....but she has lied about NAFTA, Ireland, Macedonia, Bosnia, and the Columbian agreement that I have discovered so far. With the Columbian agreement, her husband made $800,000 from speaking for it, her top advisor was lobbying for it, and her top advisor also is the CEO of a lobbying company that represents Haliburton and Blackwater. I feel she is too involved in the political game to really be invested in the incredible struggles that voters are facing. That being said...I still think she is better than McCain.

Wow guys! Thank you so much! I think we are all in this together...I think most people just want to find the best leader for our country. It is fun working through all the spin together!

BOO!!!

I'm very happy with the results today! This roller coaster ride of being a Clinton supporter has gotten a little better again. Whew...actually feels pretty good for once. It's been depressing for us for awhile. But we get to be happy today, at least.

Just for clarification, the DoD has said it will take 24 months BARE min. to withdraw the entirety of the troops. And that is if everything goes 100% perfectly, which clearly, the chances are low of that.

So it is an empty promise.

And it has nothing to do with the country crumbling if we leave, it has to do with the BILLIONS of dollars of equipment we have there... People with military experience understand that, people without it, don't.