This is a book I will be picking up — The Complex: How the Military Invades Our Everyday Lives, by historian Nick Turse. Apparently it's impossible to own an i-Pod and be a true pacifist.
The Pentagon has significant contracts with companies ranging from Starbucks, to PepsiCo, to Nestle, to Apple, and Google. The book explores the web of corporations and products that are tied to America's mammoth defense budget. It's not just the missile and equipment makers like Lockheed Martin and Boeing that feed the Military Industrial Complex.
I came across a very informative interview with the author in Mother Jones. For some of the highlights concerning yuppies, Hollywood, and the web, read more.
- On the yuppie progressive who gets up in the morning and pats himself on the back for not participating in the Complex: "As I mention in the book, unless you're a very committed anarcho-primitivist, it's almost impossible for an American to really unplug from the complex. It's just so invasive. It pops up in so many places — Christian bookstores in Mississippi, or BBQ joints in Louisiana — and these companies don't advertise it. Unless you're combing the Pentagon's list of contractors, it's almost impossible to tell how deep the rabbit hole goes."
- On the military and Hollywood: "The military has a very long relationship with Hollywood, that dates back to the silent film era. In recent years they've developed a more sophisticated relationship. It used to be done on an ad hoc basis, and now the military's set up a one-stop shop in Hollywood. This office has liaisons for the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines. So if you have a script, you bring it into them if you're seeking military hardware like planes and helicopters, or want to film on a base. The military is also a good source for large numbers of movie extras. They'll review your script, and if they like it, they'll let you use their machinery, and their bases, and their people. If they find parts objectionable, they'll note them and give it back to you, and if you make the changes they recommend, they'll give you the equipment you're requesting."
- On the military and the web: "The military operates a tremendous number of websites. They have their own sites, but they're also operating sites that look like civilian sites. They have recruiting sites that look like they're designed to give career advice to teenagers, and they mention asking a guidance counselor to take a certain type of test. What they don't tell you is that it's the armed forces entrance exam. They operate some websites for overseas audiences that look like news portals, but are actually DoD [Department of Defense] propaganda sites. You have to search the fine print in one portion of the site to find that it's created by the Pentagon."
Whether or not the pervasion of the military into the private sector is beneficial to American society, I think it is important to get a clearer picture of how the society actually functions.









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I might look up what an anarcho-primitivist is before I start this, in case I decide I have to become one. Sometimes, I think it would help if the left had someone like Limbaugh to come up with pithier slang for sterotypes - Feminazi is so much easier to grasp than anarcho-primitivist!
1I apparently spend too much time on this site, because I can now tell who posted what article just by the headlines.
2haha Cine, you are the best!!
3The military is taking over! How dare they! They should just stick to putting their lives on the line to defend our freedom.
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5Why is it that Sugar will post an aritcle like this that is left up to discussion but then post an article that says that Obama is pretty much lying his butt off by saying that he will withdraw troops in nine months - an article that I could REALLY comment on - and just leave it at that, with no opportunity for comment? How do you guys select which articles we can discuss and which ones get a pass?
6That book sounds illuminating, no doubt. Now I wonder, am I supposed to care? First of all, as a young adult, I always felt independent enough to choose whether or not to enlist. So, I didn't. No one coerced me. I didn't have to fight to free myself from their grasp. I even went to a college with a strong military influence and came out unenlisted.
Second, I'm not ashamed or scared to be affiliated with the military. I kind of like them, and appreciate what they do, aside from stories about a few bad apples.
I will recommend this book to my best friends very liberal husband! it will provide limitless joy and dinnertime ranting for him. I'm sure he can tie it in to some conspiracies. I will do it becuase I love him, and fully expect that I'll be sucked in to a conversation about it. in all fairness, maybe i'll learn something.
7I had the same sort of reaction Kris, as in, I'm supposed to care about this cuz why?
I guess if you're that anti-military then it makes sense to care... but you probably shouldn't say anything about it, cuz that might fall under free speech, and the military has a big hand in that.
8... you know, protecting it and what not.
9Hey everyone. I don't think that saying that the military pervades the private sectors necessarily means that you disprove of that fact.
For all you Americans — I understand that national security is vital, and I am so happy that we take the protection of the American way of life seriously. We should never take it for granted.
What interested me about this book is that it sheds light on something that is hidden in plain sight! By understanding what role our government, and military, plays in our everyday lives, we will have better informed positions, ie positions that take into account how everything actually functions.
10I forgot to mention the right of rural BBQ joint owners to get a peice of the pie. oh no...they catered a party where people wore camo? good Lord, what is the world coming to.
I have my great-grandfather's copy of the New Testament, which was given to him upon enlisting in 1918. For goodness sake, let's send em off to war with a little inspiration. Where do you get Bibles? thinking...racking my brain...
11You're right Liberty. I just kind of assumed that the author of this book (not you necessarily) disapproved of the military's pervasiveness in society. I would assume that's why he wrote it, and how a lot of people would take it. I jumped to a conclusion there for sure. Still, there's my big fat opinion, recorded for all posterity.
12I wonder if they contract with companies that make pink feather boas.
13haha... what a crazy book!
i dont understand the hatred vs. the military. they protect us every day. the troops choose to be there and thank god for them.
now i will listen to my ipod with pride!
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14I bet they do, redegg! at least indirectly. Cuz you know on the Girls Next Door, they had military inspired bunny suits. They were so authentic! I think Bridget's was Navy.
15ditto to what krissugar said... i am not saying that liberty feels that way, just that the writer seems to feel that way
16bridgets was the marines!
17redegg i laughed out loud when i read that!
18Oh gees if any one is surprised by the books suggestion than I will gladly pick up the rock that you've been living under.
It is a given that U.S. intelligence/military monitor us. It's actually really not that hard. Go buy a police scanner and you'll pick up several hundred cordless and cell phone conversations. That's why I use land line only, than you. I'm sure the military surveillance systems are a lot more complicated though.
19you are so RIGHT cabaker, because her brother is a Marine! GOD, it's like me and my dog's favorite show. I can pretty much recite episodes, due to their incessant reruns on E! I can't believe I got that detail wrong!
My dog loves them because they're blonde, and she's
blonde...
20Piper, you can post the article in conservative, I am sure it will get lots of comments. Just becareful of spelling errors
21actually her brother is in the army...
22OH CRAP. my credibility is ruined!!!
23the episode where he comes home around 4th of july made me cry... i felt like the biggest idiot crying to an ep of the girls next door!
all these companies that work with the DOD don't surprise me at all, theres probably even more because i know some guys that go to Iraq and start letter writing campaigns asking for donations of things they need but can't get... or even just things that just make them feel less homesick... so techicaly i guess they would be a part of it...
i guess one man's patriotism is another man's conspiracy...
24nah, kris you're all good!
and apparently i cannot spell, lets try that again.... technically.... ok that looks better
25Well, duh! I am wondering if anyone is surprised by this. Hope not.
26Also, I dont think this is "hidden in plain sight" I think people just dont do their own research and just sit around and wait for someone else to tell them whats going on. Lazyness!
27haha, im pretty sure the military is busy monitoring al qaede, not so much preoccupied with monitoring the everyday american!
28BREAKING NEWS! You all make a great point about being able to comment on the smaller stories--now you can!
Piper23 you're right the Obama story was a big deal! Sometimes we want to get you the information really quickly so we link to it--not because we think it's less important.
But it's all fixed! Comment away! Thanks for making such an important point.
29spelling errors are forgiven. because sometimes you're typing fast and trying to get something out, and you hear familiar footsteps coming to your office and you're like, OH if i could just finishthisreallyfastandhitpost before they get here, then they won't know that I type on this message board off and on the entire day. But they probably know anyway, so who cares. often times they hear me laughing out loud, so I'm sure they know it's not work related.
30Oh Kris I don't mind spelling errors at all. You are a member of Conservative sugar aren't you?
If you want to know what the spelling error comment is about, I will PM you.
31Wow Citizen your response time is crazy!
I wish my landlord would get back to me that fast!
32cine_lover, do share with all of us . . .
33Thanks, Citizen! You rock!
34i am not yet a member! how does one become a member?
35i just still wish someone would enlighten me as to why people are offended by the absolut map of old mexico. it's been confusing me all day. sometimes it's the little things that send me over the edge.
36you have to make over 60k, wear an american flag lapel pin, and sacrifice hippies to our god, Reagan....
or you can just click on Join...
ya know, whatever!
37what is conservative sugar? i would like to be a member too!
38Oh liberty, I cannot make it public, but feel free to PM me and I will fill you in.
Kris, just go to my profile and go to my groups. You will see the icon for Conservative sugar. Click on that, then ask to be a member and I will approve you.
39carlitacarlo, it is a group I started. You can become a member. And please feel free to post whatever you would like.
40Yes we got 2 new people today!!!
2 closer to world domination!!!
41cine-lover, that's great! i just requested membership, cant wait to be a part of the group!
42me too! whee!
43MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :sneaky:
44You are officially aproved!
45YOu as in both of you!
46Cabaker, where do I get the hippies? I'd like to join!
47This reminds me that I really need to read "The Shock Doctrine". I have heard so many good things about it.
48"Why is it that Sugar will post an aritcle like this that is left up to discussion but then post an article that says that Obama is pretty much lying his butt off by saying that he will withdraw troops in nine months "
Obama hasn't been lying. That isn't HIS plan, it is someone else's opinion. From the article:
The paper, obtained by The New York Sun, was written by Colin Kahl for the center-left Center for a New American Security.
Both Mr. Kahl and a senior Obama campaign adviser reached yesterday said the paper does not represent the campaign’s Iraq position.
“We have experts and scholars with a range of views and Barack appreciates this range of views. They are in think tanks and like me they write in their own voice, they are people who do their independent scholarship. Barack Obama cannot be held accountable for what we all write,” she said. Ms. Rice said she had not seen the paper, which is marked as a draft and “not for attribution without author’s permission.”
Mr. Kahl yesterday said, “This has absolutely zero to do with the campaign.”
49I wanted to point out that the nastiness in the comments is really unnecessary. Never once does Liberty say she disapproves of what is formally known as the Military Industrial Complex, nor does she disapprove of the Military.
I think the point is, that if you look at the book from a Political Science or Sociological PoV (Liberty was a Poli Sci major, and I'm a Soc major, to explain why I'm using those examples), it is not a matter of right or wrong. It is not a matter of support or disapproval, it is simply a matter of: This is how things work.
This is something that many people don't understand or even know is happening. This is something that should have a little more light shed on it, because, as a Sociologist, I find it completely and utterly fascinating. I find it fascinating because the connections between different aspects of our society are so profound, and go so much deeper than most of us ever even realize.
Maybe it's just me, but I find this fascinating, not in any kind of political agenda sense, but simply in the "Society is fascinating" sense.
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